To: axial who wrote (4689 ) 12/20/2001 3:45:26 AM From: Frank A. Coluccio Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 46821 Jim, anytime someone from outside the industry such as yourself can articulate these issues the way you just did I feel a whole lot more confident that we can address these problems as a populace. Kudos to you! What we're hearing from the incumbents is a symphony of chutzpha and schmaltz. And as you point out, the incumbents here comprise a lot of folks beyond the obvious service provider incumbents. They include "all" who have vested interests in the status quo. Once you get beyond the inertia of incumbency, itself, the incumbents in question include politicians, the unions, the facilities folks, the electrical- and vendor- supply chains, the standards bodies, zoning officials, franchise bureaus, the standards bodies, the standards bodies (get the picture?), and let's not forget a growing number of pundits and gurus, as well. The latter appear to have been working overtime in rubbing elbows at cocktail parties, lately. A symphonoy of chutzpha and schmaltz, for the most part, when they put their pens to paper. But we know beteter, don't we ;-) I somehow sense, however, that your post calls for some form of overarching call to reality. Such could only come about through political action, no? And therein lies a partial argument to my criticisms, above ;) But this inertia is powerful stuff to overcome, nonetheless, if one is trying to do "the right thing." Try it you'll like it, indeed. Ethernet, as I believe you were pointing out, is absolutely the simplest and most cost effective of all approaches to supporting last mile net access. Yet, the IEEE is still jumping through hoops simply attempting to define what is - and what is not - in their scope for a proposed set of Ethernet in the First Mile ground rules. I said "ground tules," and not even standards proposals, yet. Seriously, this group has been collaborating for the past six months, and they are still, to this day, attempting to identify their mission on the basis of what is and what is not in scope! Here, again, vested interests are at play, but only in this case we're talking about a more granular level of differences, where the semantics that define one vendor's proprietary interests differ from another's [okay, there are some more substantial architectural issues that divide vendor groups, too] . It's very, very late here on the East Coast, so I'll cut this short. But I wanted to thank you for the late night shot in the arm that you've provided, simce I wasn't really sure if anyone was actually reading between the lines here. Apparently, if you are any indication, some folks are. FAC