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To: Webster Groves who wrote (42018)	12/22/2001 12:52:10 AM
From: steve worthington	Respond to of 50167

Webster-from your link---- "The Pakistan-based Afghan Islamic Press (AIP), which is generally sympathetic to the Taleban, reported that 65 people were killed in the attack." news.bbc.co.uk This country is at WAR. I would think it very dangerous to travel any where on a secondary road without informing the powers in control, especially with the mass withdrawal of the taleban in that area. If American intelligence was wrong - it would be because the taleban wanted MORE Afghan people dead. SW

To: Webster Groves who wrote (42018)	12/22/2001 11:51:19 AM
From: BubbaFred	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

New thermobaric gadgets are being shipped. Destination Tora Bora et al, as New Year presents for O&O gang, via special delivery to the caves. Let's hope O&O company leadership are still in their hidey holes, dead or alive, to receive this special gift package. "The US has also announced plans to send a new "thermobaric" bomb to Afghanistan that uses a delayed, high-pressure explosion to suck the air out of caves and tunnels." news.bbc.co.uk

To: Webster Groves who wrote (42018)	12/22/2001 2:59:20 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 50167

"Estimates suggest US bombs have killed at least 3,767 civilians" ..."Now, for the first time, a systematic independent study has been carried out into civilian casualties in Afghanistan by Marc Herold, a US economics professor at the University of New Hampshire. Based on corroborated reports from aid agencies, the UN, eyewitnesses, TV stations, newspapers and news agencies around the world, Herold estimates that at least 3,767 civilians were killed by US bombs between October 7 and December 10." ..."But what is impressive about his work is not only the meticulous cross-checking, but the conservative assumptions he applies to each reported incident. The figure does not include those who died later of bomb injuries; nor those killed in the past 10 days; nor those who have died from cold and hunger because of the interruption of aid supplies or because they were forced to become refugees by the bombardment. It does not include military deaths (estimated by some analysts, partly on the basis of previous experience of the effects of carpet-bombing, to be upwards of 10,000), or those prisoners who were slaughtered in Mazar-i-Sharif, Qala-i-Janghi, Kandahar airport and elsewhere." ..."the high Afghan civilian death rate flows directly from US (and British) tactics and targeting. The decision to rely heavily on high-altitude air power, target urban infrastructure and repeatedly attack heavily populated towns and villages has reflected a deliberate trade-off of the lives of American pilots and soldiers, not with those of their declared Taliban enemies, but with Afghan civilians." ..."Raids on targets such as the Kajakai dam power station, Kabul's telephone exchange, the al-Jazeera TV station office, lorries and buses filled with refugees and civilian fuel trucks were not mistakes. Nor were the deaths that they caused. The same goes for the use of anti-personnel cluster bombs in urban areas. But western public opinion has become increasingly desensitised to what has been done in its name. After US AC-130 gunships strafed the farming village of Chowkar-Karez in October, killing at least 93 civilians, a Pentagon official felt able to remark: "the people there are dead because we wanted them dead", while US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld commented: "I cannot deal with that particular village." guardian.co.uk CC