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To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:00:42 PM
From: hdl	Respond to of 23908

gandhi and nehru are dead. there are 1 billion Indians. they have nukes. they already gave up pakistan and bangladesh. they have been victims of terrorism. they r stronger than pakistan. w, now that U.S. was attacked and Zinni was humiliated, isn't siding with terrorists (even those only attacking Israel and India) to quite the extent U.S. did in the past.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:03:41 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

Did you educate yourself on Kashmir, like you intended? PS Kashmir was India thousands years before Mohammed was born... ambedkar.org It is now well established that pre-Aryan Harrapan culture was a Naaga culture, and India was a Naagabhumi. It was during reign of sixth king of Naaga dynasty, king Ajatsatru, ruling Magadha, that the Buddha was born in 623 B.C. He also belonged to a Naaga kula. The matter is discussed by us in more detail elsewhere. Kashmir also was inhabited by Naagas, who later became Buddhists. But the real origins of Kashmir problem are from the times when Kashmir population became Muslims. It is well known that Kashmir in ancient times was ruled by Buddhist and Brahmanic kings and its population was mostly non-Muslim. The story how it became Muslim is very interesting and also illuminating because it denotes the tendency of the propagators of varna supremacy in establishing caste system. Let us, therefore, trace the history of Kashmir.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:15:16 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

Among the various global issues which the Millennium Summit considered during its historic session, the attention of the world community is invited to the genocide, exodus, ethnic cleansing of and apartheid against the Kashmiri Pandit community of Kashmir valley by the Islamic fundamentalists and terrorists. This is now the core issue which is involved in the Kashmir tangle. 2. Kashmir tangle has assumed quite a different shape over the years from what it appeared at the time when Kashmir problem was taken up by the UNO in 1948.It is not now only a dispute over territory, because of Pakistani aggression on Indian territory. Nor is it because of claim based on the "extension of two nation theory over an area called J&K state which is contiguous to the Islamic state of Pakistan" which was an erstwhile princely state of the British empire. The Indian Independence Act of 1947 declared that suzerainty of British government over the ruler of the state lapsed and he was free to accede to the either of the dominions of India or Pakistan. The ruler of J&K state exercised this option in favour of India through the Instrument of Accession as an important element of the Indian Independence Act of 1947. Now after the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous people - the Kashmiri Pandits from Kashmir, the tangle has assumed a global significance which will have its ramifications on the whole humanity living around the globe. It has assumed a shape of cultural onslaught on the minority by the majority. Jihad (the Muslim holy war) has been declared and is used as an instrument to make the Islamic zealots throughout the world to take up arms against the non-Islamic infidels. kashmir-information.com

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:20:35 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Solutions .. A possible split in the ranks of the Hizb would have a cascading effect on the Hurriyat and the definition of azaadi. India has not lost anything. It needs understanding that peace processes are necessarily long drawn out, and require patience. There are no easy fixes, as evident from the cases of the Mizo, Naga, Tripura insurgencies, and the Gorkhaland agitation. The Irish question and Israel-Palestine negotiations are further examples of this reality. Only a generation change in Pakistan could make it see reason; quite obviously its actions have been irrational in the past, witness the events in 1947, 1965, and 1971. The Kargil conflict refuted the nuclear theology that nuclear states did not war against each other. Pakistan claims to have contemplated the use of nuclear weapons on several occasions in the past, as claimed in an article jointly written by Ms. Sattar, Zulfikar Ali Khan and Agha Shahi. It subscribes to a first use doctrine which only emphasizes its irrationality ipcs.org Pakistan had isolated itself in the world. Its image was abysmal; it was believed to be the fountain of terrorism and drug peddling and a 'failing' state; its foreign debt was $ 40 bn., and the Paris Club, on which it was pinning great hopes, was only likely to provide some $ 100 m., at most, in end-December with stringent conditions attached. What about next year? The ISI had shifted its support to foreign militants, as they were believed capable of delivering on Kashmir, like in Afghanistan. But Pakistan needed to appreciate there is an international distaste to redrawing of international borders; Clinton has deprecated such efforts. His sympathy-call to Vajpayee after the Amarnath pilgrims were killed and exhortation to Hizb leaders to continue talks were highly symbolic, reflecting US support to India and marginalising of Pakistan.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:23:00 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Well, that's a good question. Why are all these Middle Easterners so intent on land acquisition? They are stuck in a really old concept that more land equals more power. If I were the common man over there, I'd get me and my family out and go to the US where I can get a good job and security. To hell with all the land wars. I mean for reason's sake, they were fighting over land in Afghanistan! Who cares about land in Afghanistan. If the majority of the people in Kashmir want their independence, I say give it to them. Here in the US, the majority get what they want. It's called democracy.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:33:12 PM
From: goldsnow	Respond to of 23908

This historical background of Kashmir Valley, the real bone of contention between India and Pakistan, is of vital importance for proper understanding of Kashmir problems. It points to certain realities which are vital for arriving at a durable settlement of this problem. Because of its geographical situation, Kashmir valley has a distinct geo-political identity different from the territories surrounding it across the Himalayan ranges, which remain snow bound and impassable for four to six months in a year. That is why it has always been a separate kingdom or a separate province of the various Indian empires of which it become a part in course of history. Some of its rulers like Lalitaditya did extend their way to the territories beyond the surrounding mountains for some time. But that did not in any way affect the distinct identity and character of Kashmir valley as such. The second reality to be noted is that Kashmir has always been a part of the Indian state system. Geography, history and culture have made it an inseparable part of Bharat-Khand and Jambu-Dweep now called Hindustan or India. The third fact to be kept in mind is that even though Kashmir came under Muslim rule and most of its people were forcibly converted to Islam it never got completely cut-off from its Indo-vedic cultural moorings. Unlike many other parts of India, we have recorded history of Kashmir from the earliest times. The oldest of these records is Nilamat Purana. kashmir-information.com The Indo-vedic culture is writ large over every nook and corner of Kashmir. Most of its village and town names end with suffix "Gam" derived from Sanskrit word "Gram" or "Pur" or "Nag." Every scenic site of this picturesque valley has a temple or remains of an ancient temple on it. The sky-line of the capital city Srinagar is dominated by two hillocks, Shankaracharya and Hari Parvat atop which stands the shrine of Shankaracharya temple and a Kali temple. Hari Parvat has a fort of the same name on it.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/22/2001 2:53:39 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Tom you do subscribe to the theory that no cause is a justification for terror attacks against innocent women and children and by proxy all terror groups, no matter where must be hunted...Waging war against military is different story, right?

To: Thomas M. who wrote (10241)	12/25/2001 3:07:58 PM
From: goldsnow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

More War Crimes reuters.com President Ali Abdullah Saleh ordered his forces on Friday to use an "iron fist" to deal with any security threat as security forces continued to comb an eastern hinterland in search of the militants.