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To: epicure who wrote (14815)	12/26/2001 11:19:24 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Self determination is vastly underrated by colonizers, except at home, of course. Um, maybe, except the Arabs hadn't ruled themselves in hundreds of years, and they haven't exactly done a smashing job of it since the British left, have they?

To: epicure who wrote (14815)	12/26/2001 11:35:37 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Since the British had a hard time telling the little brown peoples apart, I don't think that was so much the problem as trying to get all of various little "brown people" to paid less homage to their family clans, and give their loyalty to a national state. Every tribal chieftain wanted to be the leader that unified the various distincts extended family units (tribes) that they had been fighting with for hundreds of years (even while under Ottoman rule). The British conquered an empire, and then spent tremendous amounts of money and economic wealth trying to develop it into something that would return a profit to them, and even more in defending it from the Italians and Germans. But then the US stepped in after WWII and told Britain they had to decolonize and give their Ottoman territories the right of self-determination. Hawk

To: epicure who wrote (14815)	12/27/2001 9:04:07 AM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Since the British had a hard time telling the little brown peoples apart Really?. When you have finished that book of yours, here is another one written by an Arab (I think -lol-). Anyway I think he could speak a word or two of Arabic. castle-hill-press.com Britain did roll up it's sleeves and try. By the end of 1920, British attempts to impose a colonial rule in Iraq had provoked an open rebellion. Winston Churchill was appointed by the British Colonial Office to find a solution, and persuaded Lawrence to join him as adviser. By the summer of 1922 Churchill, with considerable aid from Lawrence, had achieved a settlement of the situation. www2.lucidcafe.com Others say his contribution was not so much.. castle-hill-press.com His effect on the perception of the British Empire is unquestionable, as mentioned in the link above. I am critical of the British Empires "divide and conquer" approach though, something the USA has "aped" in the recent past. Very silly now that nuclear weapons have been developed imho.