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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: jttmab who wrote (8867)	12/28/2001 4:14:37 PM
From: Mephisto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

"To your question. First, there is the premise that terrorism emerges out of regions of poverty, long standing internal conflicts and ignorance. Second, our greatest fear is of nukes, biological, and chemical weapons. Third, dispense of the notion of focusing on attacks to the US, it can't be done. It's a global problem it has to be dealt with in a global view. Fourth, there is no instant solution, nor single solution; it took 30 years of SALT, START treaties to make the progress that we've had. A short list of my top six, in no particular order. 1. Stop the sale of weapons to third world countries and institute a world wide ban on personnel land mines. Dispense of the notion that it can't be done; it has to be done. 2. Get chemical and biologial weapons and nukes off the damn planet. Russia has 40,000 metric tons of chemical weapons awaiting destruction; the longer they are there the more likely someone you don't want will get hold of them. Support the biological and chemical weapons treaty; not sabotage it. Yes, it's not perfect, but it tooks 30 years of negotiating with the Soviets to make substantial progress in nukes. It's a long view. I was pleased to see this article this morning. washingtonpost.com It's a return to progress. 3. We would be better served if we used foreign aid on education in third world countries rather than military aid. 4. Nation building is a better and cheaper choice than military retaliation and mini-Marshall plans. 5. Freeze financial assets of all terrorist organizations. The US cannot be the sole judge of who is or who is not a terrorist organization. Especially, since our list is determined by what our immediate interests are. 6. The world [which includes the US] should show as much resolve for the one-half million people in sub-Sahara Africa that have died of AIDS since Sept 11th as it has shown since the 3,000 persons that died in NY and DC....and other such examples. One can throw in Global Warming here. I see little resolve on the part of the US for any of these six points. Unless that changes, it's just a matter of time before we see a disastor beyond anything we can imagine. Barring that change, I hope that I'm worm bait before it happens." jttmab jtmab, you wrote an excellent post! - Mephisto

To: jttmab who wrote (8867)	12/28/2001 10:07:04 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Israel has retaliated so often that it isn't a delaying tactic any longer. You ignore a lot of history with that remark. Israel suffered several unprovoked wars before the current situation developed. They desire that future wars should be fought on their enemies territories, not Israel's territory. It's a little hard to blame them. And there was a lot of history before that. Nazi Germany, Auschwitz, the Final Solution, Zionism, pogroms, ..... How do you solve this mess? I don't know. It will probably just have to play itself out. A solution that is satisfactory to one side is unacceptable to the other. terrorism emerges out of regions of poverty, terrorism emerges out of regions of poverty, terrorism emerges out of regions of poverty, long standing internal conflicts and ignorance True. If we could solve all the world's problems with the wave of a magic wand, there would be no terrorism. But we can't and there is. How does Timothy McVeigh fit into this? You may call him ignorant, but he was neither uneducated nor illiterate. So what does "ignorance" mean in this context? And the IRA? Ireland doesn't fit any of your formula except "long standing internal conflicts" which in this instance boils down to "terrorism is found where terrorism is found." Third, dispense of the notion of focusing on attacks to the US, it can't be done. It's a global problem it has to be dealt with in a global view. I believe this is precisely what Mr. Bush has said. Stop the sale of weapons to third world countries You think they wouldn't manufacture their own? Gimme a break! and institute a world wide ban on personnel land mines. Dispense of the notion that it can't be done; it has to be done. The US previously had two objections to that: West Germany and South Korea. The first is gone now. The second problem still exists. Mines are part of the defense of the S. Korean border. I don't think either the US or S. Korea is going to agree to increase its troop strength to satisfy you. And how do you keep rogue nations like Iraq from manufacturing and deploying them? Get chemical and biologial weapons and nukes off the damn planet. Great idea. Are the French, British, Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis. etc on board on this one? Because if you're the only nation left with nukes, you're in control. We would be better served if we used foreign aid on education in third world countries rather than military aid. Great idea. The Saudis do that. They give aid to support Wahhabist schools. Is that OK? It's not that simple. Content matters. And that's when it really becomes not that simple. Nation building is a better and cheaper choice than military retaliation and mini-Marshall plans. Define "nation building". Somehow I think Saddam Hussein and the Iranians and Chinese are going to object to our building their nation, though. Again, not that simple. And too late for Afghanistan. We're going to retaliate and then institute a mini-Marshall Plan. Freeze financial assets of all terrorist organizations. The US cannot be the sole judge of who is or who is not a terrorist organization. Especially, since our list is determined by what our immediate interests are. KEEERYYYST, jttmab, are you working from a liberal wish list? "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Apply that to Israel vs. Palestinians. Then IRA vs. N. Ireland. So what do we do? Freeze all financial assets, including our own? Because others claim we are terrorists. Hell, Castro would be justified. We made several attempts to covertly assasinate him. The world [which includes the US] should show as much resolve for the one-half million people in sub-Sahara Africa that have died of AIDS since Sept 11th as it has shown since the 3,000 persons that died in NY and DC....and other such examples. I particularly like the "other such examples". Let's just declare national bankruptcy. It's easier. One can throw in Global Warming here. And the kitchen sink. Get a grip, man!