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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)12/28/2001 3:15:00 PM
From: arun gera  Respond to of 50167
 
From December 28, 2001 New York Times

India's Viewpoint

>But they differ markedly on how to achieve those goals. The United States has put its money on the military dictator Pervez Musharraf, whom it portrays as a moderate. Washington needs the Pakistan military, but India believes there can be no regional peace, or an end to transnational terrorism, or even nation-building in Pakistan, unless the military's iron grip is shattered there.>

>For India, the move from facing an undeclared war to engaging in a declared war no longer seems like an impossible leap. After all, the cumulative economic and human costs of the indirect war have been far greater than those of all the direct wars India has fought since independence.>

>Pakistan's history illustrates the opposite case: Religious fundamentalism and militarism feed on each other, with the Islamists and the military often partners in illegal activities. In fact, fundamentalism and terrorism in Pakistan were bred by the previous military regime of Gen. Mohammed Zia ul Haq, who received multibillion-dollar aid packages from the United States during his 11-year rule. >

December 28, 2001 New York Times

India Is Ready to Defend Itself
By BRAHMA CHELLANEY


NEW DELHI -- The border skirmishes and the largest military buildup between India and Pakistan since their last war in 1971 could escalate to a full-blown confrontation unless Pakistan is willing to go beyond symbolic steps against the terror groups its military and intelligence service have nurtured and directed for years.

The Dec. 13 attack by Pakistan-based Islamic terrorists on the Indian Parliament was a signal of how deadly and audacious these forces have become. It was an attempt to wipe out India's political leadership and to bring about chaos in the world's largest democracy.

In terms of what the terrorists sought to achieve, Dec. 13 was comparable to Sept. 11. It is thus understandable that India's resolve to respond to these terrorists is as firm as America's resolve to defeat terrorism after Sept. 11.

These Islamist terror groups, nurtured in jihad by religious schools, are instruments of what Pakistani officials call their war of "a thousand cuts" against India. But the crisis will be ended not merely by action against these groups, which keep changing their names and which serve as front organizations, but by the Pakistan military's stopping its undeclared war against India, based on terrorism through these organizations.

The Pakistan military is licking its wounds from its ruinous Afghan jihad policy, and now it faces the consequences of its jihad-inspired war on India. It should now be clear to the international community that the military has had a large role in turning that nation into a staging ground for global terrorism. Even now, the military equates Pakistan's future with its own hold on power.

The recent terrorist attacks have been carefully timed to send a message. The Oct. 1 strike on the Indian Kashmir legislature, which killed 38 people, followed the military's forced desertion of its creation, the Taliban. And the Dec. 13 attack on the Indian Parliament came after the Taliban's rout exposed the full extent of the Pakistan military's role in propping up that militia and setting up terrorist training camps deep inside Afghanistan. The two attacks showed that the military is still doggedly sticking to its primary agenda — jihad against India.

India is now forced to confront this escalating level of state-sanctioned terrorism. New Delhi's approach would first penalize Pakistan through diplomatic and economic sanctions, as reflected in the new actions it announced yesterday. But India is also preparing for military action if the other measures fail to force the Pakistan military to stop supporting and aiding terrorist groups.

It would be a serious mistake to read the Indian military preparations as political posturing and a tactic to generate more American pressure on Islamabad. While New Delhi certainly would like Washington to employ its formidable leverage to make the Pakistani military regime disband the terrorism operations, India is clearly willing to move against Islamabad on its own. For India, the move from facing an undeclared war to engaging in a declared war no longer seems like an impossible leap. After all, the cumulative economic and human costs of the indirect war have been far greater than those of all the direct wars India has fought since independence.

The United States and India share common goals in relation to Pakistan. As targets of jihad terrorism, both wish to see a moderate Pakistan, freed from Taliban-like elements in its regime. Both want the dismantling of Pakistan's terrorist infrastructure and the capture of Qaeda members and other terrorists who have taken refuge there. Both seek the reform of Pakistan's Islamic schools that are producing tomorrow's jihadis.

But they differ markedly on how to achieve those goals. The United States has put its money on the military dictator Pervez Musharraf, whom it portrays as a moderate. Washington needs the Pakistan military, but India believes there can be no regional peace, or an end to transnational terrorism, or even nation-building in Pakistan, unless the military's iron grip is shattered there.

Pakistan has been an ally of the United States only under military rule, with its brief periods of democratic governance coinciding with a cooling of its relations with Washington. Despite the new international faith that the Musharraf government will be able to moderate the radical currents sweeping through Pakistani society, Pakistan's history illustrates the opposite case: Religious fundamentalism and militarism feed on each other, with the Islamists and the military often partners in illegal activities. In fact, fundamentalism and terrorism in Pakistan were bred by the previous military regime of Gen. Mohammed Zia ul Haq, who received multibillion-dollar aid packages from the United States during his 11-year rule.

Despite warming United States-Indian relations, Washington has undercut its influence with New Delhi by disbursing aid totaling $1.1 billion to Islamabad and by helping Pakistan obtain international debt relief and credit from the International Monetary Fund without requiring the Musharraf regime to end its terrorism against India.

There appears no early end to the crisis on the subcontinent, but Washington can help avert an open war by intensifying pressure on General Musharraf to end the military's jihad. Not only should such a change be a condition for further disbursement of American aid, but Washington should also be pushing in Pakistan what it has helped establish in Afghanistan — a broad-based civilian government.

Brahma Chellaney is a professor of strategic studies at the Center for Policy Research in New Delhi.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)12/28/2001 5:07:12 PM
From: Jeff Jordan  Respond to of 50167
 
My sorrows....Pakistan is making a big mistake....they are a warring state and will likely die by the sword....this semi religious fervor is nonsense....muslims against the world! muslim on muslim...no tolerance for even their own kind....they will be sad.....sometimes mankind makes me sick!....you know if you look at the last 20years....its a muslim problem and they think they have a wise solution for the world? obscene!....muslim on muslim....islam a religion of peace? Arabs think a united fight against non muslims is a jihad? a failed concept...that God does not support! The hindus know about enlightenment...and we must all discover God in our own ways. But, the key is realization! God prefers/demands we don't seek Him in the death of others!...that is NOT the way. Death of the self is not a suicidal message....its an internal spiritual matter not literal concept. Jesus gave is life for us Christians....a different thing/symbolic to us.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)12/28/2001 11:41:46 PM
From: NickSE  Respond to of 50167
 
Pakistan Moves Against Groups Named by India
nytimes.com

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan, Dec. 28 — In a step aimed at defusing the threat of war with India, Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has ordered the arrest of about 50 leading members of two Islamic militant groups accused by India of mounting an attack on India's Parliament two weeks ago, Western diplomats in Pakistan said today...

..."It is we Muslims who have to change this perception," he said. "In my own small way, I wish to spread the image of a tolerant, forgiving Islam. I would like to root out any intolerance and violence from this society. I am sure that if we are really determined, and really bold, we can change the situation. Pakistan is passing through a difficult stage, with the tensions on the border, and I would ask you all again to pray for peace and tranquillity, in Pakistan and the world."



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)12/29/2001 10:47:06 AM
From: fourptt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Hi Ike...Hope you and your family are having a great holiday season...Below is an e-mail someone sent me that you might enjoy. While Carlin has frequently been off the wall, his observations have always been dead on.

Some people amaze me with how accurately they can depict the world today.

A wonderful Message by George Carlin

The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but
have less. We buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller
families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less
sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems,
more medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too
little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom. We have multiplied our
possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too much, love too seldom, and
hate too often. We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've
added years to life not life to years.

We've been all the way to the moon and back, but have trouble crossing the
street to meet anew neighbor. We conquered outer space but not inner space.
We've done larger things, but not better things. We've cleaned up the air,
but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom, but not our prejudice. We
write more, but learn less. We plan more, but accomplish less. We've learned
to rush, but not to wait. We build more computers to hold more information,
to produce more copies than ever, but we communicate less and less.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of
two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. These are
days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night
stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to
quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and
nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to
you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just
hit delete.

Remember, spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going
to be around forever. Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to
you in awe, because that little person soon will grow up and leave your
side. Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is
the only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.

Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most
of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep
inside of you. Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday
that person will not be there again. Give time to love, give time to speak
and give time to share the precious thoughts in your mind.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)12/29/2001 4:02:35 PM
From: JHP  Respond to of 50167
 
Ike,
time for the west to rethink !
An Islamic Fifth Column
Muslim Americans and Englishmen join the jihad.

BY FARRUKH DHONDY
Wednesday, December 26, 2001 12:01 a.m. EST

LONDON--John Walker Lindh, the California Talib, captured the public
imagination with his odyssey from Marin County to Mazar-e-Sharif. Yet his
tale, arguably, is an exotic one, a sui generis conceit. More disconcerting
was Mohammad Junaid, the New York-born Pakistani-American who, after Sept.
11, ditched his $70,000-a-year job as a computer techie and joined the
Taliban to "kill Americans." He did so to the cheers of his mother, who,
astonishingly, had been rescued from the World Trade Center.

We may not have many John Walkers, but how many Junaids does the U.S. harbor?
Britain's experience with its Muslims suggests that the number may be high.

The Muslim migration to Britain, chiefly from Pakistan, began more than 30
years ago. The immigrants, most from peasant backgrounds, took it for granted
that they would have the right to work and live within the cultural and
religious freedom that Britain's liberal civilization guaranteed. Many found
work in the old textile mills of the north. They settled around the mosque
and the stores that sold the food that made these towns feel like home. The
first generation that arrived imagined making money quickly and then
returning home. That future never arrived. Their children and grandchildren
have grown up as Lancastrians and Yorkshiremen--Muslim Lancastrians and
Yorkshiremen.
The mills closed in the 1980s. The general depression of the mill-and-mosque
towns that resulted was reflected in rundown, restless schools, without
ambition or excellence. The ambulance-chasers of the left called for more
multiculturalism in these schools, which gave cover to the ex-peasant
community's demands for Islamization. They demanded that girls and boys be
taught separately, that girls cover their heads and limbs, that schools serve
halal meat, that Arabic and the Koran be taught, that history classes depict
Britain primarily as an exploitative nation. Principals who resisted were
branded racists.

It was around this time that identification with a militant Islam emerged as
a politically distinct force in Britain. While the earlier generation of
Muslim immigrants had gone their way without bothering to adopt Western
dress, their children grew up wearing Air Jordan sneakers in imitation of
American blacks. The great cliché of their generation is that they were
caught between cultures. Some resolved this tension by adopting the politics,
philosophy, and culture of fundamentalist Islam.
On college campuses, some students began to dress in an Islamic way. They
reformed their speech and friendships. They began to characterize the gains
of feminism as immorality. Their puritan disgust for the West's popular
culture and sexual license, their support for laws that decree the stoning to
death of adulteresses, became the profession of an allegiance alienated from
the Britain that allows them the freedom to express these views.

These new zealots had been brought up in a traditional way by parents whose
religious views were generally orthodox but not extremist. But in the 1980s,
a new Muslim leadership of mullahs, financed by various Islamic powers around
the world, was setting up mosques and schools in Britain, thanks to an
immigration-law loophole that allows clergymen open-ended permission to stay.
Muslim adolescents attracted to this radical preaching came under the
domination of the new mullahs, who offered a luminously simple explanation of
the cosmos and promised membership in an organization that would dominate the
world. "We carry Islam as a political belief, a complete system," says
Muhammad Omar Bakri, a poisonous cleric who runs a London Muslim
organization. "We don't carry Islam as a religion. It's an ideology."

All this came to light in the most significant divide in Britain's
multicultural history: the Rushdie affair, which uncovered a fifth column
whose literary criticism entailed book burning and death threats. The British
Muslim community echoed the call of Ayatollah Khomeini to kill the writer.
There were denunciations of Salman Rushdie in every mosque. Not one
mullah--not one--raised a voice in support of freedom of creativity; no
mullah ventured the opinion that the fatwa was wrong. Though the supposedly
liberal Muslim commentators whom the British press retains were not in favor
of the death sentence, none would extend himself to defend the book. One ugly
book burning was led by a Muslim who was forced to admit that Iran had
financed him.

Before the fatwa, the politically correct position was that, with a few
concessions, and with some welcome additions to British cuisine, the new
immigrant communities would be assimilated into British life with hiccups but
not convulsions. The fatwa affair--when the entire Islamic community united
behind the condemnation--should have put an end to the idea. After all, if
you prostrate yourself to an all-powerful being five times a day, if you are
constantly told that you live in the world of Satan, if those around you are
impervious to literature, art, historical debate and the values of Western
civilization, your mind becomes susceptible to fanaticism. Your mind rots.
Worse, it can become the instrument of others who send you on suicidal
missions.

Three years ago, the Yemeni police caught eight men with plans and equipment
to bomb British targets in that country. Six of these young Muslims, all of
Pakistani origin, held British passports. The Yemeni courts tried and
convicted them of conspiracy to commit terrorism. Journalists traced the
roots of their mission back to a London mosque and to a preacher called Abu
Hamza, a one-eyed mullah with a claw, like Captain Hook's, for a right hand.
He boasted that he had sent young men to training camps. His general
contention was that, as Muslims, they must fight for the conversion of the
world to Islam. He seemed proud that his own stepson was one of the six
convicted.
The incident should have alerted Britain to the rise of a phenomenon that
couldn't be explained by theories of race relations. It didn't. Liberal
opinion, while not admitting that the Yemeni Six were out to kill Britons,
called for an examination of the racism that had alienated them.

Then, this summer, riots broke out in several mill-and-mosque towns. A few
hundred masked "Asian" (which in Britain refers to Indians, Pakistanis and
Bangladeshis) youths torched shops and cars. They fought the police with
staves and stones. The pundits and officials in charge of race relations were
bewildered. They attributed these riots to the "failure of years of race
relations," to resentment of poverty and unemployment, and to rumors that
neo-fascist anti-immigrant organizations were invading these towns.

What they failed to mention was that the rioters weren't "Asian" but Muslim.
The difficulties Muslim culture places in the way of assimilation have
produced a generation of disaffected youth, highly susceptible to the
incitements of militants.

After Sept. 11, Mr. Hamza was wheeled out, together with Mr. Bakri, who had
been expelled from his native Syria and is funded by Saudi money. They both
said that they supported the jihad, that the laws of men did not matter, and
that only the Koran, as interpreted by them, of course, could govern the
thinking of the Muslim. Upscale Muslim organizations expressed regret at the
atrocity and denounced Messrs. Hamza and Bakri.

Yet outside Britain's mosques, young men of jihadi persuasion bellowed
slogans supporting the terrorist attack, exhorting worshipers to "join the
war" against America. A poll by the Sunday Times found that 40% of British
Muslims think Osama bin Laden is "justified" in his war and that the British
citizens who joined the Taliban were right to do so. One can't shelter in
one's home those who would kill you. Yet Britain has given permission to stay
to the likes of Messrs. Hamza and Bakri. The very liberalism against which
they preach has nursed this Fifth Column.

When liberal Muslims declare that Sept. 11 was an atrocity contrary to the
Koran, the majority of Muslims around the world don't believe them. They
accept the interpretation of fundamentalists, whom liberal Muslims have
allowed to remain unchallenged.
What Islam needs is a reformation, and if this very concept is forbidden in
the unchangeable word of the Koran, there is enough Islamic history to
support a reforming interpretation of the law of living with others. The
Muslims in Britain and the U.S. who are educated in Western disciplines and
culture must spark this reformation. As for the officials of the U.S. and
Britain, they need to redirect the energy that they have poured into race
relations and multiculturalism into a defense of the values of freedom and
democracy. Their future depends on it.



To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (42045)1/1/2002 11:45:04 AM
From: Logain Ablar  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Happy New Year Ike:

May you and your family have a healthy, enjoyable and prosperous year.

Tim