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To: hmaly who wrote (66531)	12/28/2001 5:56:01 PM
From: Ali Chen	Respond to of 275872

"But subsequent sales figures and shortages have proven that to be a lie" Not necessarily, formally speaking. The Fab production is wafers, sorted for basic functionality. We know that the Coppermine production at that time peaked at 600MHz, so it is possible that a good half of the packaged dies eventually yielded some 533MHz and below parts. So, technically, the 1M/week numbers were probably truth, but not the whole one. - Ali

To: hmaly who wrote (66531)	12/28/2001 7:21:07 PM
From: milo_morai	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Is that person Process Boy? Member 7421298 The same Intel employee that claimed we'd be flooded by 1.13Ghz Piii's? M. Here's a interesting post from the past with PB Message 13087528 And lets not forget ELMER Message 13072401 To:Paul Engel who wrote (100398) From: Elmer Monday, Mar 6, 2000 8:16 PM View Replies (3) \| Respond to of 153296 Paul - I have been traveling on business and have had very limited access to the web. Perhaps this has been discussed already but I just downloaded AMD's new datasheet for the 1GHz Athlon and saw 1.8V nominal Vcc! Now I want to give credit where credit is due and AMD has done a fine job getting this product ready for production, even though none are available at this time it looks like they will be next week. What really makes my hair stand on end is that 1.8V Vcc!!! This is not what one would see from a product that has lots of headroom. This is a last gasp desperate effort to push the gate oxides to the very limits of reliability. If Intel's 1 GHz part has lower Vcc than 1.8 Volts I am inclined to believe that AMD has completely shot their wad here and Intel is the one with headroom. So if Intel has headroom, where're the parts? Knowing Intel, I believe they have a production stepping that produces good binsplits to 1GHz. However I think Intel will run two steppings (at least) until they have a good production history on this new highspeed stepping before they commit the whole factory system. This new version may only run at one fab until it's well characterized and understood. So volumes could be limited for a time but this should not be interpreted to mean the binsplits are poor, just that the wafer commits may be limited for this flavor. Intel is constantly improving their designs and process and I strongly believe that 1GHz is far from the top speed for CuMine. It will be very interesting to see the Vcc for the Intel 1GHz part. EP

To: hmaly who wrote (66531)	12/28/2001 9:54:08 PM
From: Elmer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

I fully understood what you were saying then. But subsequent sales figures and shortages have proven that to be a lie, as there were supposed to be 4 fabs producing coppermines. This one fab alone could, according to you, produced 13 million p3 / q. the total sales of P3 for the quarter. Yet, there was a big shortage. Why??? That is why no one believed it then, and now. Well you remain clueless. 1 million CuMines is easily within reach of several Intel fabs. The fact that you don't believe it just proves your level of expertise. Why not do a little number crunching? That would have shown you how easy it is without embarrassing yourself. Droids have claimed here Intel has multiple 10,000 WSPW fabs. It would only take 100 good die per wafer to produce 1,000,000 CuMines from one of those fabs. 100 GDPW would be terrible yield for Intel. I'm not agreeing that those fabs are really 10,000 WSPW but even at half that size, 5000 WSPW (small for Intel) that would be 200 GDPW. CuMine is smaller than Athlon so it should yield better. If you would only do a little number crunching for yourself you wouldn't make such foolish statements. EP