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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (15018)	12/29/2001 3:59:41 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 281500

That "death wish" for Arafat is interesting, as is that "irrelevant" thing, bombed helicopters, airport, house arrest, regular bullying, thing, "irrelevant" common from US domestic politics, sexy stuff. As is "the convential wisdom" that Rose pointed to, although from this side of the bay it took some knowledge in US domestic issues and media propaganda to understand it, especially knowledge about the US 2 party systems (as it takes understanding of the party lists system in Israel to understand their domestic issues) US and Israel goes through one of their regular domestic dilemmas, but it is nothing which will not change with some time, that is what the local experts say. Ilmarinen Who knows, maybe like after the cuba missile crise, some of the really blind hawks will understand more in just 10 or 20 years?? Btw, the Israeli embassies have already done their usual complaints about all the usual stuff, and clearly more to come. Some systems are governed by consensus, some by swing votes, as I'm sure you know.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (15018)	12/29/2001 6:04:31 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Excellent post, Nadine...eom

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (15018)	12/29/2001 6:47:51 PM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

*To say that we must always remain evenhanded, no, even more, that we must be perceived* by the world as being evenhanded, removes the power of judgement from US foreign policy.** Depends on who's doing the perceiving and more importantly, who's reporting the perception. The perception of the US's total and one-sided support of Israel is wrong, for example, as it negates what the US has done to advance Palestinian statehood and Middle East peace. I believe this is due to a) bad reporting by a biased press, b) the willingness of some Arab governments to grant credence to the bad reports as it lets the US be the bad guy and diverts attention from their own serious flaws, c) the existing religious intolerance in the minds of many in the Arab world (which is usually denied by reminders of what a tolerant place Egypt was... a few centuries ago, and d) the sociological/psychological combination of the chips-on-the-shoulders of both the underclass towards the successful and of war-losers towards war-winners. On the latter point, it's interesting to note that the longest lasting resentments worldwide seem to be in those that define their own groups as 'tribes' instead of provinces, states or nations. This is not exclusively so, but by and large.... suggesting that the more 'pure' one's group defines itself via race, faith and/or political belief, the more likely it is to sustain the resentment and disregard compromise, preferring purity over peace. But the other factors, of better reporting and less scapegoating by governments, can erode the purist philosophies over time.