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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (15122)	12/30/2001 2:01:41 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Don't definitions of terrorism need to exclude the parameters of nation states at war? There are always civilian casualties in war, doubly so in modern total wars. Yep. But in the cases I cite, civilians are targets not "collateral damage". Nadine, I've been meaning to ask you how you would categorize the incident I read about frequently in which I think it was Shamir, perhaps others, who bombed a hotel full of civilians (you can tell from my recounting that I probably don't even have the outlines correct) but I'm certain you know about the incident. It's the one in which, in these arguments about terrorism, the reply is that certain future Israeli leaders were terrorists. John

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (15122)	12/30/2001 3:51:34 PM
From: SirRealist	Respond to of 281500

As well, distinction should be drawn in defining an "innocent civilian". If much of the adult populace is supportive of an offensive war, where is the innocence? It is different in some tyrannical states, where the citizenry may be cowed into acquiescence out of fear of their own leadership. Utilizing your measure - that wars by nation-states are not terrorism - is a good starting point, commonly accepted. Even though they may provoke terror, and may be unlawful by world definition, nations at war are simply that, and there, some standards of civil behavior do apply that have been internationally recognized, such as treatment of POWs.