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To: Bilow who wrote (15448)	1/3/2002 5:42:25 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>>We're quite sick of hearing about how evil the other side is.<< Hear, hear. However, your argument assumes that the United Nations has the right and the power to dictate to Israel what its immigration policies should be, which I question.

To: Bilow who wrote (15448)	1/3/2002 6:35:33 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Why don't you assassinate him? Or at the very least explain how it is that you're unable to control territory which you're supposed to police. Have you failed to notice the whole Oslo process? Israel does not have jurisdiction inside the Palestinian Authority ! Israel gave the land back to the Palestinian Authority after it falsely declared itself peaceful. The PA promised to police the territory. Political pressures still prevent Israel from declaring war even after the PA all but declared itself an enemy. Israel is not asking anybody else to fight; it is just maneuvering for room to fight for itself. The Palestinian diaspora is neither here nor there. Half a million moved back during Oslo; many have moved out again. For that matter, the Jews also have a diaspora, in case you didn't notice; over a million have moved in during the last decade. US policy has never insisted that Palestinians be allowed to freely move into not just Palestine, but Israel itself. As for voting rights, it is inhabitants of the PA that lack them, not Israeli Arabs. We don't like terrorism, so you might consider your actions in the light of what the US will be forced to do to solve this problem. The Bush doctrine says that we don't like terrorist states either; and the current PA is one. The Bush Administration has already declared that Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbullah are terrorist entities, and says openly that Arafat must crush them. If the Bush Administration moves to "fix" the problem, I don't think the PA will like the solution. For all the incitement that the PA has been able to whip up, I don't notice six Arab armies massing on Israel's borders as they did in 1948 and 1967. I think instead of asking if Israel has the stomach for prolonged conflict, you should ask, do the Arabs have it? There is no sign of it that I can see. The Arabs are content to fight by Palestinian proxy. The parameters of the solution have already been laid on the table and approved by the Americans and one Israeli government: a two-state solution, with borders near the Green Line but not exactly on them. This generation of Palestinian leaders rejected that solution in favor of pursuing the destruction of Israel. It will have to wait for better conditions, perhaps another generation of leadership. Arab rage has flared and ebbed several times before now, and Israel has survived so far. The Israelis don't have the South African option, just as the Palestinians don't have a statesman or a working polity, so it's useless to talk about it. The Israeli choice is to survive or not, and they will choose survival.