To: maceng2 who wrote (15490 ) 1/4/2002 8:44:58 AM From: maceng2 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 I suppose, I could pick this site as an "unbiased view" on the question posed. [the internet is handy in looking for the true state of affairs]thebirdman.org thebirdman.org A couple of points... -I agree with some of the things he states. Some of it is trite B/S. -He is also proof that a MENSA type high IQ is not everything. I think if he got a job where he had to work in a team for a period of several years, he would change some of those assuming ideas of his. Here is my slant on things.... Fact is why do IQ's keep going up??? It is a more then one dimensional problem.brook.edu snip Then, in 1987, Flynn showed that in nation after nation, the current generation outscores the last generation by some 9 to 20 IQ points. The gains are greatest on those tests often called the best measures of intelligence. Their size and speed dictate an environmental explanation. Flynn applied Jensen's model. An environmental explanation meant putting the current generation within the top one-tenth of one percent of the last generation in terms of environmental quality. What was known to be true was shown to be impossible. unsnipstacks.msnbc.com snip “It’s been a paradox. The high heritability of IQ suggests that environment is feeble, but IQ gains over time suggest that environment is overwhelmingly powerful.” — WILLIAM DICKENS Brookings Institution unsnipthetimes.co.uk snipGoing to work can improve your IQ BY ALEXANDRA FREAN THE rise in the number of jobs requiring brain not brawn may be behind a rise in IQ levels in many Western countries, scientists believe. Research suggests that small changes in the environment experienced by a group of people, such as changes in the type of jobs people do, can bring about much bigger changes in society at large. Psychologists have long been puzzled that IQ levels have risen over several generations in 20 nations, when IQ is believed to be related to differences in people’s genes and the gene pool is relatively stable. unsnip no link for the NS mention below, just the page reference A new theory could explain the 15-point IQ gap between black and white Americans. In 1969, Arthur Jensen claimed it was all down to genes. James Flynn demolished the genetic theory in 1987 when he showed that everyone's IQ is rising dramatically from generation to generation. So what's going on? Reciprocal causation, William Dickens suggested this year. If you start off with a small advantage, you get into a better environment that amplifies your talent, he argues. Someone who's good at basketball will be encouraged to practise more, will get into a better team, get better coaching and so on. From New Scientist magazine, vol 172 issue 2322, 22/12/2001