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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9191)	1/4/2002 10:16:18 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

When you lived in your old neighborhood it looked fine to you (probably). The ego is much more subtle than change in neighborhood. More like an invisible filter, the nature of its operations being QUITE unknown to you. In terms of having a nice comfortable accommodation with it, of course everybody wants that, and is doing exactly that. God-Realization? Sure! What's the technique? <ggg> Gotta get to work here. Will rejoin the debate later! Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9191)	1/4/2002 1:31:41 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

CWG (357) Thoughts.... >>"My divine purpose in dividing Me was to create sufficient parts of Me so that I could know Myself experientially. There is only one way for the Creator to know itself experientially as the Creator, and that is to create. And so I gave to each of the countless parts of Me (to all of My spirit children) the same power to create which I have as the whole.>> "...gave...." implies that this "power" is a FREE gift. FREEDOM cannot come with conditions. The energy comes freely and goes forth from those who receive it either freely or "conditionally." If there's ZERO/NO claim being made on this/His FREE gift energy there there NOTHING being done "to create" anything. Period. Thus, there can only be ONE of TWO paths: 1) FREELY RECEIVING AND SHARING HIS UNCONDITIONAL ENERGY, LIGHT AND LOVE or... 2) FREELY RECEIVING....BUT.....CONDITIONALLY SHARING, REFLECTING, REFRACTING AND THUS "CREATING" THAT WHICH IS THE ANTITHESIS OF HIS FREE AND UNCONDITIONAL ENERGY, LIGHT AND LOVE. CWG is selling and spinning the idea of "creation" being "a power" which is conferred on man by the act God who created us in His image and likeness. This "power" is His alone. The only way this power can be split up and spun into competing orbits and universes is in the "creation" and continued fueling of these Black Holes which define, label, refract, limit, refract and control in order to "claim to create" using His energy. This is like workers taking over the fields in the Bible from the landowner while he's away and claiming to possess/control/create the fruit, grain and the fields simply from occupying - ie. receiving - the land which was based on the simple extension of trust from the master landowner. So these theives/robbers conspired to kill the master, etc. This is the same thing CWG is tacitly advocating. It just makes ZERO/NO sense at all. There can only be ONE (1) creator, ONE (1) master, ONE (1) God. And there's nothing being claimed, blame or shamed by receiving and sharing this simple direct truth. >>This is what your religions mean when they say that you were created in the "image and likeness of God." This doesn't mean, as some have suggested, that or physical bodies look alike (although God can adopt whatever physical form God chooses for a particular purpose). It does mean that our essence is the same. We are composed of the same stuff. We ARE the "same stuff"! With all the same properties and abilities--including the ability to create physical reality out of thin air. My purpose in creating you, My spiritual offspring, was for Me to know Myself as God. I have no way to do that save through you. Thus it can be said (and has been, many times) that My purpose for you is that you should know yourself as Me.">> The "Me" of our Lord God in Heaven does not entrap us inside the Wizard of Oz illusion of "being a creator". The "Me" of our Lord God in Heaven does not split, divide and separate the universe into competing claims to His perfect, unconditional and FREE creation. CWG is playing fast and loose in a kind of sleight of hand card game that makes claims to creation in the same manner that going to Vegas is driven by the illusory claims made about individuals "winning" and "hitting the jackpot." And as long as we continue to buy off on the illusion of being "creators" we will continue to enslave ourselves and others with competing claims and all the shame and blame labels, limits, definitions and restrictions that inevitably go along with it. CWG is acting like the snake in the Garden of Eden, spinning the same illusion of this "power to create" that individuals in our natural, conditional egoic realm always fall for hook line and sinker. I'm not at all saying CWG is evil or bad, just that in the illusion of the belief that we are creators, there's a web of this self absorbed creative power that only serves to confuse and refract the flow of His free energy, light and Love. We can make ZERO/NO claims to His energy!! For His energy is a FREE gift. His knowledge is a FREE gift. His wisdom is a FREE gift. His Love is a FREE gift. And He assigns ZERO/NO conditions to these FREE gifts and thus makes ZERO/NO claims against them. How can "we" create anything when we did not create ourselves to begin with? It doesn't make any logical, rational sense to begin with. But this illusion of "being creators" using and having the same power of God flies in direct conflict of there being ONE God, ONE Father, ONE Creator of the ONE universe and ALL universes at the same time. CWG reads well, but it's playing both sides against the middle in a way that fools us into thinking we can lay "claim" to something that was given to us freely and unconditionally out of an infinite sense of trust and Love that we may share the same freedom and Love with others with zero claims, etc. Being ONE with the Father is a ZERO/NO claim spiritual reality that connects and threads freely and perfectly with His Will, for His purpose according to His plan. If this sounds like a selfish egoic God then perhaps we don't understand the perfect nature of His unconditional Love that asks for nothing in return except for the free and clear possibility of being received and shared freely and unconditionally with others. The God of this world does not appear selfish in this way. For the God of this world is advocating the reception and transmission of the ONE LIE which started the entire process of the falling away Black Hole matrix thousands of years ago. The God of this world wants to fool us into thinking we are Gods with the same powers to create as our ONE God in Heaven. This is a very seductive/attractive proposition. It's not one that I believe the author of CWG is consciously trying to advocate, but it's one that one can naturally read into these works. We are all sharing the same ultimate, infinite paradox. Quite interesting to be alive in these times. For this New World with this New Spirit is in this transition stage and we are ALL part of this general "spiritual awakening" that is going on all around us. 119293!!