To: greenspirit who wrote (9213 ) 1/6/2002 3:29:57 PM From: jttmab Respond to of 93284 ahhh, I see where your logic and sophistry falls apart. Your assumption is that because someone enjoys and finds an article excellent to read, they have completely bought into every spoken word of the article. And therefore a third party attack based on this assumption is warranted. Do you only read books, articles and references which you agree with? Further, have you never found an article good, or well written, which provided a unique way of looking at things without "buying into the rhetoric" as you say? You just might have been able to pull off that argument [or at least injected some doubt] if you hadn't responded with a laundry list of rhetoric to begin with. You certainly didn't respond to any of my points. So, it seems not only was my analysis [not assumption] correct and you subsequently confirmed it.As to your social security *rhetoric*. Let me let you in on a big secret. Given current demographic trends the social security system is going bankrupt. If we do nothing it will go bankrupt. Let me say this clearer so you don't miss the meaning. If we allow time to progress without reforming the system, it will not be self-sustaining unless we reform it, or take the money out of the treasury to support it. Shhh..not so loud, let's just keep it between the two of us. Given that I've shown an appreciation as to when the social security outlays begin to exceed what the system takes in contributions, that should be more than a hint that I understand there's a problem. 1. Ignore the seriousness of the issue and put our heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening. (on the surface this appears to be your position). So that appears to be my position...based on what? That I know that the SS Security system goes negative in 2011? That increasing the national debt makes the problem worse and not better? Let's pick up the pace....2-4; I agree some combination will result.The rhetoric from mindless "I want to impeach Bush" lovers is that we will "let the elderly starve", or "cut off their benefits" "or bankrupt the treasury by partially privatizing the system". Which camp do you fall into? You never answered my question, so I'll pass on yours. Seems fair.If we end the recession as rapidly as possible by cutting taxes, and creating a better business environment around which organizations may begin to grow again. Then limit the growth of federal spending to the inflation rate, (or just above it) a *suplus* will be created which will off-set the lost revenue from partial privatization. The net effect, many years from now, will be a sound Social Security system which doesn't place a massive tax burden on the young in order to support it. That sounds great. I heard exactly the same thing during the 1980's. Along with the national debt would evaporate. Call me a skeptic; I feel more a sense of deja vu.From Chile, to Australia, to Great Britain, partial privatization of previously controlled government retirement is proceeding with mostly positive results. The anti-change left wing "we can't make it work" Americans are holding up sound solutions. Be carefull, every time I mention another country having success, especially Great Britain, I get blasted as promoting socialism. I agree with you, just giving you a heads up.No answer is a panacea. And given our current situation we shouldn't expect one. But the forces of anti-change seem to believe in nirvana or nothing. First two sentences: excellent. The third sentence sucks. There are no "forces of anti-change"; that's rhetoric. It's a damn tough problem. And to some extent that's more the difficulty in change. All solutions have their pain and there isn't a poltician, IMO, that truly wants to do anything. Plenty that say they want to, but the ones to take the risk and the liability associated with it are very rare. For the moment, the tactic is to say you have a plan, or will have one; it's a whole new ball game to actually do it. Early last year there was an initiative on prescription drugs for the elderly. Right, wrong, doesn't matter; it was shot at [as one familiar with politics should expect]. Then it went into an abyss. The White House spokesman was asked whether the Pres would push the issue at an upcoming meeting with the legislature. The answer was no. The next question was would you push the legislature on it this year. The answer was no. The next question was will the White House push the issue next year. The answer was next year is next year. I don't know whether you have a warm tummy feeling over that issue being resolved [now this year], I don't. If it is resolved with a solution, great! But I do know that when the issue does come up that there will be lots of finger pointing across the aisle. That you can be sure of. Partisans will believe whoever it is that they want to believe. jttmab