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To: Jim McMannis who wrote (154204)1/7/2002 9:05:43 PM
From: Elmer  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 186894
 
Switch to a whole new process and get about 100-133 Mhz?

You need to pay more attention Jimbo. AMD is already most of the way there. They have been using .13u transistors for some time now.

Maybe they should just skip to .10u?

Don't you think everybody would if they could?

EP



To: Jim McMannis who wrote (154204)1/8/2002 11:14:58 AM
From: fingolfen  Respond to of 186894
 
Switch to a whole new process and get about 100-133 Mhz You sure about that? If so AMD really has to get to hammer.. No wonder AMD is milking .18u forever. How do they always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

That's just the problem... it's not going to be a "whole new process." They're already effectively mating a 0.13 micron front end to a 0.18 micron back end. Unless the Athlon is heavily interconnect delayed, they aren't going to get a huge boost by going to a 0.13 micron back end.

Maybe they should just skip to .10u?

...and I'm sure they were hoping to with their comments about 50nm gates for 0.13 micron, but the fact is 193nm lithography is required for that, and according to all of the industry press, 193nm is not ready for prime time yet. I'm interested in seeing if Intel can make its stated Q1'03 goal for the 90nm node as it's going to require 193nm lithography for several layers... and they're not only going with 193nm, but 300mm for the 90nm node as well.

If Intel can pull off getting their 90nm process out in early 2003, they're going to be sitting VERY pretty...