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To: semiconeng who wrote (154281)	1/8/2002 12:18:05 PM
From: Tony Viola	Respond to of 186894

Absolutely. I haven't seen such nastiness from Milo in a long time, and Dan seems to be more dillusional than ever. They both seem pretty "normal" to me, i.e., with an axe to grind about Intel bigger than anything Paul Bunyan ever carried.

To: semiconeng who wrote (154281)	1/8/2002 12:21:29 PM
From: Ali Chen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 186894

"..and overclockers getting near 3GHz with Air Cooling on P4" I think people would appreciate any link in support of your statement.

To: semiconeng who wrote (154281)	1/8/2002 1:23:10 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 186894

Re: overclockers getting near .18 P4 pretty consistently OC'd to 2.2GHZ in air, while .18 Athlon was consistent to 1.8GHZ. There was a report of a 2.6GHZ P4 in air and a 2.4GHZ AThlon with air that I've seen, but neither was typical, and I'm suspicious of both reports. .13 P4 is too young for a pattern to emerge, but seems to be OK, at minimum, for a 14% overclock (to 2.5GHZ), and I recall one report from Asia suggested 2.9GHZ with air and 3GHZ with LN2 - which didn't make much sense, LN2 should have provided more of a gain than that, but it may have been FSB limited. Since most other overclocks indicate around 2.5GHZ with air, that overclock from Asia may have been all LN2 and was mistranslated. We'll have to see how .13 Athlon does, very few Athlons have gone above 2.2GHZ, even on LN2. But very few .18 P4's did, either. So far, Intel is 3 days ahead of AMD in getting to .13 with a high end chip. We'll so how far they are able to stretch that lead. Weeks? Months?