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To: andy kelly who wrote (154486)	1/9/2002 2:52:16 PM
From: Charles Gryba	Respond to of 186894

Andy, the only way that can be is if they have integrated memory controller to DDR and 200Mhz FSB or something like that. C

To: andy kelly who wrote (154486)	1/9/2002 2:52:42 PM
From: wanna_bmw	Respond to of 186894

Andy, Re: "How could this be? I thought banias was using a P3 core and was basically aimed at the low end market, similar to most integrated product in the past. Would you expect it to out perform a reved up P4m, or maybe even a mobile Prescott that should hit the market sometime in '03?" I have a feeling that Pentium 4-M and later Netburst based processors will have trouble clocking high, while still meeting low power requirements. Therefore, I think it's very probable that Banias may get higher performance. Of course, the question is whether Banias will be able to outperform Athlon or K8 based mobile products. It may or may not, but I think Banias will be able to hit far lower power points, and I'm pretty confident that Intel can market that. wbmw

To: andy kelly who wrote (154486)	1/9/2002 3:43:40 PM
From: Paul Engel	Respond to of 186894

Andy - Re: "How could this be? I thought banias was using a P3 core " Nope. Many of the "pundits" have stated this but they are all WRONG ! BANIAS is a complete redo of the x86 implementation (same x86 architecture) designed to have very low power dissipation and very high IPC (Instructions Per Clock) - and not necessarily high GHz. When it comes out, you will hear the AMDroids yelping and whining - when Intel shows them that - for BANIAS - MHZ DOES NOT COUNT !! Paul

To: andy kelly who wrote (154486)	1/9/2002 3:58:19 PM
From: Saturn V	Respond to of 186894

Ref <I thought banias was using a P3 core and was basically aimed at the low end market, similar to most integrated product in the past. Would you expect it to out perform a reved up P4m > My understanding from various webcasts is as follows: A. Banias has neither a P3 core, nor a P4 core. B. It is a totally new core which is larger than P3, but where the extra transistors are used to reduce the power dissipation rather than to increase processor thruput. C. The speed of Banias will lie between P3 and P4. Apparently the aging P3 core cannot be speeded up significantly, and we may seen the last processor designed around the Pentium Pro core. However power dissipation of Banias will be dramatically lower than the P4. D. The Banias is obviously designed with Transmeta in its cross hairs, so I will not be surprised if its power drain will be even lower than todays mobile PIII devices. E. I am speculating that the Banias may incorporate the the Northbridge chip set( memory interface device), along with other peripheral chips. Integrating the Northbrige chip is easy if you dont allow multiple processsors, which is not a problem with the laptop market, and the onchip memory controller significantly boosts the performance.