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To: StanX Long who wrote (58602)	1/9/2002 9:48:25 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 70976

Quote of the day: "Any further price increases at this point is a prayer, not a plan." Robert S. Miller, chairman of Bethlehem Steel, discussing when they will be able to raise steel prices enough to cover the cost of production. interactive.wsj.com

To: StanX Long who wrote (58602)	1/9/2002 9:49:31 PM
From: StanX Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Institional buying today only 29%, with almost 20 million shares traded today, if not Institutes, who was buying. Stan iw.thomsonfn.com

To: StanX Long who wrote (58602)	1/10/2002 12:13:53 AM
From: Gottfried	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

Stan, OT *** free energy? Your scheme would lower mpg for cars because the energy in those coils comes from somewhere. Otherwise we would have perpetual motion. G.

To: StanX Long who wrote (58602)	1/10/2002 1:53:50 PM
From: mitch-c	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

OT - waves, cars, and power The thought occurs to me that if you examine a thermo cycle diagram of such a thing, you'll find many small (comparatively inefficient) fossil fuel engines providing that power. The drag caused by inductive generation has to come from decreased mileage of the vehicles. TANSTAAFL. The reason large electrical power plants exist is economies of scale - they're more efficient. The potential that wave (or wind, geothermal, or regenerative braking) schemes have is that they capture energy that is otherwise "wasted" unproductively. The challenge is concentrating it, converting it, and storing it as usable power. Sorry for pricking the idea balloon ... - Mitch

To: StanX Long who wrote (58602)	1/10/2002 2:54:50 PM
From: Kirk ©	Respond to of 70976

OT You would be doing "Work" on the wire loop...slowing down the cars so nothing is free. The best "free" energy idea I've see is a flywheel in a car that you use to store energy as you break... Rather then heat the breaks, you speed up the flywheel with a transmission, slowing the car. Then when you want to start, you engage the transmission and use the flywheel to help get going again where thermal engines are not very efficient. BIG problem is safety. The flywheel spins at perhaps 20,000 RPM and in a crash, it can be deadly if it gets loose. I think it also acts as a gyro so turning might be interesting. I suppose the answer here is have several to net out to zero. Kirk (always fun to talk ideas for better efficiency) out