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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (42151)	1/10/2002 3:06:19 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 82486

Ahhhhh "correct thinking"!! ". Is the person making gatling guns purely a civilian? Is the mother who teaches her child to embrace the values of bushido entirely blameless? From one perspective, even the military are not "blamed" for doing their duty, which is why we have rules of humane treatment for those who are captured. I would not like to say that a 16 year old male conscripted for the Japanese Home Army was much more guilty than anyone else in the situation, but he may have to be killed. I supported the Gulf War, but I mourned those Iraqi conscripts who were so easily crushed by tanks. Although there is reason for a residual concern for non- combatants, I am not keen to say that an Iowa boy pulled off the farm, with a murky idea of the geopolitics of the situation, is more worthy of being killed. Nor do I think that killing civilians because of the fierceness of the invasion would be superior to killing them by a bomb. In the end, concern for non- combatants is only one consideration, and can easily be vitiated by the reality that a lot of them will die anyway...... " Then there are no civilians and the bombing of 9/11 was totally justified. Those people killed were actively pursuing the values of a capitalist society. They were not civilians, they were cultural warriors for America! Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. I think you need to send your writing to Osama- he could really use those ideas. I know, I know- you will never see it that way. That's ok- just realize that for many people it would make perfect sense, even if you never see it. I will not argue about it with you, there is no point, but many many many people on this planet will see in what you said the perfect justification for "terrorism" against "innocent" "civilians".

To: Neocon who wrote (42151)	1/11/2002 6:44:27 PM
From: Yogizuna	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

No, you don't know that. You are basing your argument on the presumption that just as many or more Japanese would have been killed if we did not use the bomb, but presuming the outcome of a future situation if X or Ywas not done, is similar to gambling and one never really knows what would have happened unless the A-bombs were not dropped and the fullness of time turned into a different version of history. And of course the argument that almost no civilian was truly innocent, well, that same argument could be used against in future wars, so we better development adequate missile defense systems and security as soon as humanly possible.