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To: maceng2 who wrote (16067)	1/11/2002 6:29:34 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

PB, investigations like that Swiss one are like most market research - a bunch of nonsense based on stupid questions such as, "Would you like a fuel which will giver your car more pep, zest and fuel efficiency?" Obviously, the answer is yes. "If we give you $10 and you have to play this stupid game with other people, will you try to keep as much of the $10 as you can?" The Swiss have obviously not travelled widely. We can conclude that there are few Jews in Switzerland. Mqurice

To: maceng2 who wrote (16067)	1/11/2002 6:38:15 AM
From: frankw1900	Respond to of 281500

OT:Back to the drawing board: Why do very bright people have very ordinary children, often. Why do very ordinary people have very bright children, often. Why do extremely bright people, (eg Chomsky), cling to stupid positions (socialism in his case)? To what degree do cultural/emotional artifacts influence practical intelligence - not to mention attaining high marks on IQ tests? Intelligence is not easily definable: like pornography, we know it when we see it. And we don't agree. You are discussing something which has aesthetic dimensions. It's something you have to point at.... What is a great performance? Is this something amenable to quantization? Yes, you can count stuff, but should you be doing it in this case? Are you counting the right things?

To: maceng2 who wrote (16067)	1/11/2002 8:46:33 AM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

Woman fired by 'laddish' bank wins record £1.5m London, portal.telegraph.co.uk [Looks like some males crossed the wrong woman here] A CITY analyst whose male colleagues received bonuses 60 times greater than hers was yesterday awarded nearly £1.5 million in compensation, a record payout in a sex discrimination case. Julie Bower leaves the tribunal after the award A tribunal described Julie Bower's bonus of £25,000 as "insultingly low", compared with the £1.5 million given to male colleagues and criticised Schroder Securities' "laddish and sexist" corporate entertaining. Mrs Bower, 35, was sacked from her £120,000-a-year job as a drinks sector analyst with the investment bank in 1999. She said she had queried her bonuses with the firm several times, but her boss had become "threatening and sarcastic". She was given an unfair appraisal because, her boss told her, a senior corporate financier "wanted her head on a plate". The London tribunal was also told that Mrs Bower was referred to during a meeting as having "had cancer, been a pain, now pregnant". She was awarded £1,412,823 at the end of a four-day compensation case brought after she won her claim for unfair dismissal and sex discrimination last year. She said after the ruling: "The way Schroders dealt with my complaints about the way I was being treated was completely unacceptable and I hope no one else ever has to go through the same sort of thing again." Vivian Gay, the chairman of the panel, said that Mrs Bower, who now has a child, had been subjected to personal attacks while working at the firm and through evidence given by Schroders at the tribunal. She said: "We have accepted that the discrimination which Mrs Bower suffered has had a real long-term effect. "She has been subjected to bad mouthing and false criticism even in this tribunal. "She has been undermined in the very area of work of which she was proud and subjected to attacks on her personality, character and working ability, none of which this tribunal has upheld." The chairman paid tribute to Mrs Bower's "fortitude" in the face of such attacks and said that a woman of lesser confidence would have suffered even more. Mrs Bower told the hearing that her life had been ruined. She had been claiming benefits since being forced to resign and had moved from Pimlico in London to Oxford "to live more cheaply". She said she had failed to obtain advertised jobs with other leading City firms and now planned to do a PhD in cross-border competition in the drinks industry. In calculating the award, the panel ruled that the £25,000 bonus, which was awarded in 1999 and later increased to £50,000, should have been £170,000. It also added up bonuses, salary, pension contributions and car allowances which Mrs Bower would have been paid. But the panel also took into account the possibility that she would have lost her job when Schroders merged with Salomon Smith Barney in May 2000. Schroders is appealing against the tribunal's finding of unfair dismissal and sex discrimination.