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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9350)	1/11/2002 9:45:52 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"The sea is God's, the journey ours" Two questions, Bill: 1) who is this "our" you are referring to? 2) what exactly is the distinction you are making between "our" and God? 3) why? 4) do both/and exist in consciousness simultaneously a) in God? b) in "our"? I think I am beginning to sound like you! <ggg> Namaste! Jim

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9350)	1/11/2002 12:56:54 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Either or? Either you think in terms of both\and or you are wrong???? LOL! "God may have created the sea, but we're free to navigate it however we wish. The sea is God's, the journey ours." It looks like the analogy fails, at least to the degree that the sea remains the sea regardless of our perceiving. Additionally, it fails to recognize that if God made the sea, then He in all likelihood made you as well. Therefore you belong to God as much, if not more than the sea, since you are also created in His image. If God is not sovereign of all, then He is not sovereign, at all. Greg

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (9350)	1/11/2002 6:27:56 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 28931

The Natural Matrix.... >>You're still thinking in either/or terms. Think both/and and it will make more sense.>> We cannot serve two masters Bill. We can have knowledge of good and evil, but the credit for all good and the credit for all evil can only be applied to TWO completely separate matrixes - 1) Hell and 2) Heaven. The two shall never overlap, but they are both in perfect balance as they are both governed by our Father's perfect order. >>Yes, it is true that because everything which ever was or ever will be already exists in the eternal moment of now that there is nothing to "create". But it is equally true that our experience of this infinite matrix is our free choice and thus we are free to "create" this experience as we choose our pathways through this matrix.>> ....free "to receive" these experiences as free, unconditional gifts from our creator. Just like chosing to watch TV, here we chose to receive from an unlimited number of waves or channels that emmanate from this vast spiritual reality. Some of these waves come from the dark conditional matrix that flows from the Hell. Some of these waves comes from the light and free matrix of love that flows in from Heaven. One is spiritual. The other natural. One is infinite and free. The other conditional. >>God may have created the sea, but we're free to navigate it however we wish. The sea is God's, the journey ours. A somewhat oversimplified analogy of course, but it does give a flavor of the perspectives at work.>> We are ALL free to navigate. And these acts of navigation are choices to receive different forms and waves of energy from the dark matrix of conditions and slavery where there are claims to creation....or from the light matrix of love and freedom where all claims fade like dew in the light of a newborn day. We are complete free to make this journey appear to ourselves and others as being "ours" just as we are free to cooperate and become one in acknowledging that everything in creation will forever be His. 119293!!