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To: SilentZ who wrote (141476)	1/11/2002 11:09:47 AM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1586208

Yeah, but I'd figure that God would want to interfere when 11 million people were being brutally slaughtered- those 11 million people weren't allowed their free will. If it is true and total free will it includes the free will to commit murders and atrocities. Also it is free will to make your own decisions, not to have those decisions be useful. If I fell from a great height I might decide I want to slow down and land softly unless I have a parachute I can't implement that decision, but I still would have free will. Similarly before they died Stalin's, Mao's, Hitler's and Pol Pot's victims could think what they want and decide what they want but making a decision doesn't give you the power to implement it. You could make an analogy to the fact that I have the right of free speech but that doesn't mean I can count on getting anyone to listen to me. Tim

To: SilentZ who wrote (141476)	1/11/2002 1:51:57 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1586208

Z, who said God was behind the holocaust. Supposedly, we are sentient creatures with free will. Under those circumstances, I don't think any deity can be held accountable. Yeah, but I'd figure that God would want to interfere when 11 million people were being brutally slaughtered- those 11 million people weren't allowed their free will. Z, I know I'm on unpopular ground here but to quite a degree, the Jews, particularly those outside Germany but to a lesser degree the ones inside as well, did have free will. Many chose to flee Germany, Poland, the Netherlands, France etc. well before Hitler took away the keys and locked the doors. Some were not able to go for economic reasons but most either were in denial, or would not leave due to family, and/or business considerations. The family of Anne Frank is one well known example. The husband had pushed his wife to take the children and go to England while he prepared to turn his business over to others. However, she refused to leave her husband.........she had a choice and she made it for good or bad. And please don't get me wrong, I am not criticizing but only pointing out that escape was possible. In spite of all our survival instincts, its human nature to hope that a crisis will pass and will not require our relocation....and that attitude often results in our demise. So who's to blame? Some deity? If not a deity, the Jews who did not to try to escape, Hitler, the non Jewish Germans for not stopping Hitler. Who? All had free will....all made choices.....and those choices resulted in the holocast. Personally, I don't think blame is the issue here. ted