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To: Saturn V who wrote (154832)1/11/2002 3:32:33 PM
From: Tony Viola  Respond to of 186894
 
Saturn, >An examples of the above statement was the 1103 the first 1kDRAM. It was a pain to use, and competitors responded with more more elegant designs, which they could not manufacture.

Second 1103 mention today, have to say something about it. First, this was a 1K, yes, 1024 bit DRAM. I designed a memory system using 1103s, more years ago than I care to think about. It never shipped because RCA Computer went out of business (another ancient occurrence) before the computer to use it was ready. Anyway, I read articles later that tried to prove that if you took worst case, or maybe 2 sigma values or something like that, I forget, on I/O timing for that chip, you couldn't guarantee a system built from 1103s to work. The guy was probably going too worst in his analysis, or he was wrong, because I believe quite a few systems shipped with 1103s. About speed analysis programs and simulation, you never use worst case timing for all chips in a critical path (paths), because the odds of all of them being worst case slow are very high, and you end up shipping a product much slower than it has to.

Another 1103 story: After one of the Intel stockholders meetings maybe 4 years ago, I mentioned my work with the 1103 to Gordon Moore, and that I saw an 1103 T-shirt hanging up in the Intel museum, after introducing myself to him. A big smile came over his face and he said he still had an 1103 T-shirt somewhere in the house.

Tony