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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (16359)	1/13/2002 9:13:52 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

. . . .but I don't believe in Feminism, since by its very name, it suggests advancing the cause of women over those of men, when the goal should be the creation of a equality between the sexes in which both feel comfortable. . . Okay, I'll just be a bit more blunt. You have no idea what you are talking about. Feminism is no one idea. Like any lively, active social movement, it might better be thought of as a complicated, multi-vocal conversation(s), almost impossible to characterize in sentences like yours. What you have done is simply take some flamboyant item, then try to stereotype an entire movement with it. Much as feminists were termed "bra burners" at one point, in which the caricature was drawn from an event that never happened. Just helped reinforce an ugly stereotype. With the rarest exceptions, however, feminism is about what it would take to reach a world in which males and females occupy equal statuses in social life and in which the virtues often attached to the feminine and the virtues often attached to the male are seen as human rather than gendered. A bit of Feminisim 101. No charge. John

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (16359)	1/13/2002 11:38:29 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

I think your definition of feminism is inaccurate. When in doubt, take a look at the dictionary. It's defined as believing that men and women are, or should be, politically, economically, and socially equal. Which doesn't mean believing that men and women are equal or the same in every way. It does mean believing that the physiological differences between men and women should not be used as an excuse to treat women as inferior. At my age (49) I've heard every argument for and against women's lib that it's possible to advance, I believe. And I mostly stay out of it because I figure most people have their minds made up already, and it gets kind of old. I think it's probably not all that different than being black and listening to people talk about whether black people have lower IQs or not. No point spitting into the wind. It's true, there are women who feel superior to men, and vice versa. And life seems to go along fine, regardless.