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To: maceng2 who wrote (526)	1/16/2002 2:39:12 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

<< Sorry, didn't realize your feelings were that easily hurt. >> Don't grant yourself too much credit. You didn't hurt my feelings. You hurt your own credibility. Anytime you use insults, in order to further your own lowly cause, you just sink deeper into the mud. I just wondered why you overreacted, and got angry enough to post an insult. You must have a short fuse. If you've followed history, at all, you would remember countless Palestinian terrorist attacks against innocent civilians within Israel, and elsewhere in the world. The wanton and reckless murdering of civilians speaks volumes of a people's soul, and it speaks volumes about the Palestinian people, and their supporters. You, obviously, take the Palestinian terrorist side, against the Israelis. So, you will dig and search for any news article that you can twist and misrepresent, so that your Palestinian killers will look better. And, if that doesn't work, you resort to insults. You represent the Palestinian mentality very well! This must be a high point in your life. <g>

To: maceng2 who wrote (526)	1/16/2002 6:11:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

some examples...(there are loads of them) Fact is Israels policies, for what ever reasons, are provocative in my understanding the word.. Are 50 years of Arab refusal to recognize the reality of Israel provocative? Is the Arab rhetoric of hatred and rejection provocative? In 1967, the Soviets egged the Syrians into war; Syria and Egypt and Jordan massed nearly 200,000 troops on the border. Was it 'provocative' not to wait for them to roll over the border? Was it 'provocative' to offer all the territory back in exchange merely for peace and recognition, only to receive the three 'noes' of the Khartoum conference? All these 'provocations' must be understood in the context in which they occurred. Not the context that later Arab propagandists have tried to paint them in. On the reverse side, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan have been quite peaceful since the peace treaties were signed. Has Israel been 'provocative' there?

To: maceng2 who wrote (526)	1/16/2002 10:33:33 PM
From: Zeev Hed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 6945

Peary.BS is airing these days a program summarizing or reviewing 50 years o war between Israel and its neighbors (yes, Deir Yassin is described as well, an Arab survivor's witness account is very interesting by itself, and explain the flight of so many that should not have fled). One thing however, you should take into account, once the five Arab armies, plus the armed Palestinians forces, decided to annul by force the UN resolution, they accepted (de facto) the results of such action. If you attack your neighbor in order to get what is legally his (by the decision of the UN), you should also accept that if you lose, and cannot take what is not yours, you may lose some of what was yours. You do not hear much about Germany rights to Silesia or Japan's right to Sakhalin, do you? In that PBS program, it is interesting to see the number of efforts that all the Israeli governments have carried on over those 50 years. Interestingly, the did not mention secret meetings between Golda Meyer and King Abdallah, but they do mention secret contacts from 1952 on with Egypt (on and off, mpore off, unfortunately). By the way, here is what the Israeli are doing when one of their'sake the fatal mistake of acting too fast and hurting civilians without good justification: 03:22 Jan-17-02, 4 Shevat 5762 Soldier Facing Criminal Charges in Death of Arab Woman (IsraelNN.com) A soldier was indicted in a military court, facing charges for the death of a Shechem woman killed by gunfire in January 2001. The soldier fired at the woman who he suspected was trying to run a military checkpoint. The army investigators ruled that his firing his weapon was in contradiction to orders at the time and therefore, he is facing charges pertaining to the shooting death. The incident occurred in the Shomron, near the village of Beit Fouriq. 20-year-old Fatma Jamil Abu-Jish was killed by the soldier’s gunfire. Arafat could start and do the same with the sects under his control. After all, that is eactly what Ben Gurion did with Lehi and the Irgun within months of declaring independence. Zeev