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To: tejek who wrote (141811)	1/17/2002 3:38:16 PM
From: i-node	Respond to of 1584903

Why? You spout conservative rhetoric that rolls off your tongue, and then I have to come back with a well reason, well thought out and researched response. Who died and made you king of thread rules? While occasionally I put forth "conservative rhetoric", for the most part I've supported my statements with examples. If you don't want to do the same, fine -- but I think your statements can be given zero credibility without it. Without some support for your statements the argument is meaningless. I don't expect to actually change your mind here; but you could at least make the argument interesting. Conservatives have no trouble waging war because they want control. Perhaps you have an example? Yeah, Hitler, Franco and Stalin. I don't consider these people to be conservatives. Besides you, is there someone who does?

To: tejek who wrote (141811)	1/17/2002 4:30:17 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1584903

Hitler was not a conservative, but Stalin was in many ways the opposite of conservative. The political theory he pushed (when he bothered to push anything besides his own power) is socialism/communism imposed by force. It's a more extreme version of socialism. He was only conservative in one way once he was in power he didn't want the power structure to change much but anyone in power is likely to want to remain there. And actually beyond the party being in control and himself in control of the party, he did make changes in the power structure purging huge sections of it. If you are going to call Stalin a conservative then we had best come up with a new term because we would really be using different languages if we both use that word. With Hitler at least you had the exuse that he is traditionally seen as right wing which is considered to be "extreme conservative". I would say that idea is wrong but it atleast was the standard conventional idea so its not a shock to hear it. With Stalin you seem to be making an entirely new classification system for your argument. Is a conservative anyone who supports strong central authority with no democratic or procedural checks and balances? If so I am not a conservative and Reagan, Gringrich, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Buckley, George Bush (both of them), and Dick Cheney are not conservatives. What does the politics and philosophy of these people have in common with Stalin? Nothing. Tim