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To: TimF who wrote (141859)	1/18/2002 1:57:46 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1588268

Tim, let me ask you....do you think a liberal would be racist? That that would be part of his/her ideology? A liberal might be racist, but the racism would not be part of the liberalism. The same would be true of a conservative. Tim, okay. Whom do you think is more likely to be racist...a liberal or a conservative? Who do you think we be more opposed to socialism..a liberal or a conservative? Who do you think would be in support of socialism...a liberal or a conservative? Liberals (using the way it is used in America today, not the way it was used in the 19th century which has almost the opposite meaning) would be more likely to support socialism. They wouldn't support a massive amount of socialism (or I would call them socialists not liberals) but they support more government control over the economy and higher tax rates. You could call what they support "socialism light". Hmmm.......socialist light...did you make up that one on the sperm of the moment? LOL If so, "socialist lite" would sell better! Do you think an elected representative's political ideology should those of the people he/she represents? Ideally that would be the case but only because the people should vote for someone who's ideology they agree with, I'm not arguing that a representative should change his or her ideology to match the electorate. But I think you would agree that in the ideal situation, the representative should reflect his/her constituents pol. beliefs. What was the ideology of the National Socialist Party of Germany? Once Hitler took over it was basically to follow Hitler and do whatever he commanded. Besides that it was more centralized power, hatred of Jews and certain other groups, and German nationalism. There was some socialist elements in terms of government control of the economy. The Nationalism fits the "National" part of the party's name. The Socialism appropriately gets second billing because there was less emphasis on it but there was some elements of it in the parties ideas. The hatred part obviously wasn't going to get included in the parties name. Support for tradition and esp. traditional holders of social and political power (the junkers, the laander, the wealthy bankers and businessmen (of course some of these where Jews and so particularly hated), and to a lesser extent churches, mostly Catholic in the south and various Protestant groups in the north) was not a part of the part platform. The socialist in the parties name is misleading as was the party's original name, the German Workers' Party....which makes it sound like a Marxist or communist party. In fact, Hitler hated Marxists and behind them, socialists. He also hated the Jews and anything that didn't fit his view of the Aryan race as he described in Mein Kampf. The party came out of Bavaria. An interesting note that I hadn't remembered.....at one point Bavaria was considering seceding from Germany and joining Austria which it felt was more compatable with it, ideology wise. Hitler was charismatic and Germany at the time when he was comming to power was a mess, this gave him his opening. Hitler was taken into the party originally because he had a gift for gab in front of large audiences. However, they soon found out how obnoxious he was and tried to limit his influence in the party. It was at that point, he threatened to quit the party......since he had essentially become the party, they capitulated to his demands and he took the party over lock,stock and barrel. historyplace.com ted

To: TimF who wrote (141859)	1/18/2002 3:57:17 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1588268

They wouldn't support a massive amount of socialism (or I would call them socialists not liberals) but they support more government control over the economy and higher tax rates. You could call what they support "socialism light". Man, I can't agree with you on this! Congress is chock full of liberals who are promoting socialism -- Barney Frank, Ted Kennedy, Dick Gephardt, to name a few. While their liberalism isn't comprised SOLELY of their socialist agendas, their liberalism certainly includes what would traditionally be referred to as socialism. Most of these liberals would stop short of us all becoming state employees; however, their desire to expand government without bound constitutes socialism in its most insiduous form.