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To: i-node who wrote (141952)1/20/2002 9:06:02 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1585190
 
This is what happened during the Reagan administration. Reagan took over a military that couldn't even complete the simple task of extracting our hostages from Iran without the equipment falling apart on the scene (Ross Perot, on the other hand, was totally successful in getting his employees out without incident). Now, Reagan, understanding that our military could not be allowed to collapse further, spent the next eight years building it back up (to Gulf War capabilities), admittedly watching the deficits accumulate.

No true fiscal conservative could sit by and watch how money is poured down a military black hole year after year. Who was the WI senator who gave out prizes whenever money was wasted on a gov't expenditure........I think he called it the fleecing of America? Well, just about every other one of his 'prizes' was for a military spending blunder. No fiscal conservative could take that kind of waste.

And as for Reagan, in the 80's, he was pushing hard for star wars when he knew full well that Russia was on the verge of collapse.........hardly the threat to our well being he kept saying it was in public.....kind of like another K. Lay. Sad.......that he's the best you can come up with.



To: i-node who wrote (141952)1/20/2002 9:07:46 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1585190
 
U.S. Defends Detainees' Treatment
Helicopter Crash Kills Two Marines

By Christopher Wilson and Sayed Salahuddin
Reuters

WASHINGTON/KABUL, Afghanistan (Jan. 20) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld Sunday defended the United States' treatment of Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and a U.S. military helicopter crashed in northeastern Afghanistan, killing two Marines.

Hours before Rumsfeld spoke on the detainees, a U.S. Super Stallion helicopter, supplying forces in the hunt for al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and Mullah Mohammad Omar, the fugitive Taliban leader, came down in rugged mountains after leaving Bagram air base north of the Afghan capital Kabul.

And in Tokyo, Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's interim president, issued a moving appeal for aid on the eve of an international conference during which he must outline a vision of how to rebuild his shattered country.

Reacting to European criticism the detainees from Afghanistan were being improperly treated at the isolated U.S. naval base in Cuba, Rumsfeld said it was unfair to suggest the "hard-core terrorists" were being handled inhumanely.

"Obviously anyone would be concerned if people were suggesting that treatment were not proper," Rumsfeld told reporters in Washington.

"The fact remains that the treatment is proper. There is no doubt in my mind that it is humane and appropriate and consistent with the Geneva Convention for the most part."

Britain said Sunday it wanted an explanation from the United States about published photographs showing Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners at the naval base tightly manacled and kneeling behind wire fences.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said "prisoners, regardless of their technical status should be treated humanely and in accordance with customary international law."

Thirty-four more Taliban and al Qaeda prisoners, some with battle wounds, arrived Sunday at the base under high security. They were flown from a U.S. military base near Kandahar and brought the total number of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay facility to 144.

HELICOPTER DOWN, TWO DEAD

A four-person team from the International Committee of the Red Cross has been at the Guantanamo Bay base since Thursday to inspect the prison camp and interview detainees.

Called Camp X-Ray, the site holds prisoners in 6-foot by 8-foot enclosures with roofs and floors, but only chain-link walls.

Rumsfeld said the prisoners were "very tough, hard-core, well-trained terrorists" but they were getting excellent medical care and well as "culturally appropriate food" three times a day and were allowed to pray.

"They are being allowed to practice their religion, which is not something that they encouraged on the part of others," Rumsfeld said. "They are clothed cleanly and they are dry and safe."

Sunday's helicopter crash was the latest in a series involving U.S. military personnel since Washington launched it's military campaign in Afghanistan in October.

Witnesses said it went down in mountains shortly after leaving Bagram air base.

"We saw two helicopters in the sky. One was flying strangely and after a few seconds they both disappeared and we heard an explosion," one resident of the Bandi Ghazi area, in mountains to the southeast of Kabul, told Reuters.

Capt. Tom Bryant said the helicopter made a "hard landing" at around 8 a.m. and two of the seven Marines on board were killed and five injured.

Rumsfeld said in Washington early indications were that a mechanical problem was to blame for the crash.

"There are two dead and two critically wounded and all of them have now been removed to a hospital," he said.

Despite the setback, the global hunt for bin Laden and members of al Qaeda, blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon that killed more than 3,000 people, spread further afield with the arrest of two men in Spain.

Bin Laden's former Afghan host, Taliban chief Mullah Omar, was moving from place to place, but was being hunted by tribal forces loyal to the interim government, the governor of Kandahar province, Gul Agha, told Reuters.

"He is still in Afghanistan," Agha said. "He is moving from place to place. When we catch up with him, he will be arrested."

The Taliban abandoned Kabul after intense U.S. bombing and ground attacks by Afghan opposition forces in November and retreated from their power base of Kandahar in early December.

ESCAPE FROM KUNDUZ

As the hunt for bin Laden and Mullah Omar went on, the New Yorker published an article saying that a number of Taliban and al Qaeda fighters had escaped the besieged Afghan city of Kunduz in November in a U.S. approved evacuation of Pakistani military officers and intelligence advisers who were supporting the Taliban.

Citing unnamed U.S. intelligence officials, New Yorker writer Seymour Hersh said that the al Qaeda and Taliban members joined the Pakistanis flying to safety by slipping aboard nighttime airlifts approved by the Bush administration to help Pakistan leader General Pervez Musharraf, a key U.S. ally, to avoid political disaster.

American and Pakistani officials have refused to confirm the report and Sunday Rumsfeld denied it.

"I do not believe that it happened," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program. "No one that I know, in -- connected with the United States in any way, saw any such thing as a major air exodus out of Afghanistan to Pakistan.

In Tokyo, Afghanistan's interim leader, Karzai, issued his appeal for aid after arriving in Japan for an international conference on Monday and Tuesday on rebuilding Afghanistan.

Karzai took power in a country where life expectancy is 44, one in four children dies before age five, and only three in 100 girls are enrolled in primary school.

Officials from more than 60 governments and international organizations will meet in Tokyo to promise money for a reconstruction process that aid experts estimate will take $15 billion over a decade, much of it in the initial stage.

"One thing I would like to say with certainty, with clarity, that is -- we need your help," Karzai, clad in his trademark green Uzbek robe, said at a reception.

Participants agree that a significant show of financial support for Afghanistan will be key to ensuring the country does not again breed radical movements such as the Taliban.

Donor governments began pledging funds on Monday, with Britain and Germany saying they would each provide $282 million toward the reconstruction.

Karzai's month-old government faces a major challenge in imposing order in a country where rival warlords still fight over tracts of land, pockets of Taliban fighters stage raids on strategic outposts and gangs loot towns and rob aid convoys.

19:22 01-20-02

Copyright 2002 Reuters Limited.