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To: kirby49 who wrote (81029)1/23/2002 6:32:52 PM
From: E. Charters  Respond to of 116762
 
Thanks. Well I called the OGS, and they promised to email references. I could not find a mention of it and the geologist there did not know of it. I should have called a resident geologist, perhaps at KL, as they have more experience and might remember it.

The budget savagery in the mines department at the GSC and the OGS has led to them pulling in horns. Even back ten years ago, if you put in information requests they would give you a Sudbury phone number and tell you to call. Nice. They have gov't phones and email and they tell you to call from your home phone. Between work to rule and government hatred of these departments, you got little out of them. When the government moved the department to Sudbury from Toronto, some geos left their phone numbers out of the book and were unobtainable. Every mining company in Canada had an office in Toronto, but it made sense to move the head office of the OGS to Sudbury where Inco lived. Of course.

The USGS in Denver is quite a bit more enthusiastic. On their own, with their own PC's they digitized a lot of their data without so much as a government budget or mandate to do so. You could get this out of them with a phone call for nominal price. If the Ontario government did this, it would be done little and you would pay the moon.

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It is clear that the new generation of lawyers we elect to parliament and congress are anti-smoke stack industry on a philosophical basis. Living in cities and never having seen grass that was not sodded or smoked, let alone swamp that is not trod, they live with the illusion that all is known about the earth and particularly their country. So it is unfathomable to them that a geological survey is of much use except perhaps for predicting earthquakes. I once talked to a similar attitude amongs the owners of an African copper mine, in the Zaire some years ago. They were looking for computer personnel. I mentioned that I might fit on the exploration team. Their reply was that "Zaire has been explored". I was dumfounded. My reply, was " well that surprises me about the thoroughness of your geologsts as I believe the same statement can scarcely be made about Canada."

The politicos are wrong. It is economically advangeous from a transportation, cost and employment standpoint to harvest our own raw materials and make the final product. There is no reason to buy it off someone else. Some people think others have an advantage with cheap labour, or other things. In fact it has been proven that the Japanese sole advantages in making cars was that they were more efficient with more modern smelters, had a stable labour force, careful productions line cost methods (just in time delivery) and mostly -- money at extremely low interest rates. Labour cost was not a factor.

At one time we made all the glass, steel, rubber, copper, zinc and plastic that went into a Chrysler car. Caland Iron Ore, Noranda Mines, Alberta Oil, Pilkington glass. All Ontario supply. It was all supplied in Canada by high paid workers, but the raw product was cheap. Today that car's raw materials come from Argentina and Chile, and the parts are made in Japan. How does this benefit Canada when the car costs the same relatively?

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