To: Dave who wrote (17994 ) 1/26/2002 2:09:23 PM From: 49thMIMOMander Respond to of 34857 Industrial, experimental and jewel-gold-egg design: Most car manufacturers do some experimental,etc models, one reason is for the designers to have something to practice on, another for the dreaming customers to have something to dream about. Another is "the top model", the one the brand is recognized, defined by, and then the large volume production with some similar features, but not too many. One typical case should be Mercedes (at least in Europe), the ridiculously priced top models and then the regular small, 190cc, ones (not even imported to USA, 300-420cc is minimum??) That is, forgetting all the gold and that stuff, I see this Vertu thing more like a less limited shop for new (and odd) designs, plus "building the brand". One important factor, IMO, is that the Vertu models are not sold as Nokia, maybe more like AMG,etc "special series", "custom built" cars?? (a certain distance is kept, similar mechanisms are, to my knowledge, used for fashion, clothes, etc) I think even Hollywood has some kind of rule that after something like 10 commercial successes the creator can finally do one the way he wants to do it if it wasn\t for Hollywood. Who knows what Vertu will result in. As somebody pointed out, the idea is old for Nokia, officially known from the silver-golden variations on the Zippo handset. (Zippo lighters were obviously neither gold, silver nor titaniumto start with, just smooth like a butt, additionally needing that polishing fingers all the time, but leaving the conflict of chrome vs regular gleaming skin somewhat unsolved) Ilmarinen Btw, one then 9-10 year old guy in the family (same age then as the age Mr Bean tries to stick to) with whom I had the traditional joy of discussing and debating pharting in the sauna with, as well as design aspects later on, got the Zippo idea and got me one. At this time in his life he is testing how washed out the Ericsson color display will be in strong sunlight, but no strong sunlight day yet. Btw,btw, this Loevry or something guy was the first acknowledged guy to understand that things for men should be smooth like a butt, the first mass produced was Saab getting rid of those protruding lights, since that flush with that smooth surface. Mercedes managed to get the same idea many years later, as did somebody at Nokia, that "organic look". Will be interesting how that gold-stuff developes, some old tradition is around from the 1800s handcrafted fertility icon eggs from St Petersburg (to pick one with US flags:)ltdlimited.com The number one egg crafter is Faberge, the kids are alive and well in Finland.search.yahoo.com just to pick the first linkgeocities.com There is even a Quckoo egg, surely inspied by 40x fertility and orthogonal spaces (Faberge made many eggs, for many purposes)geocities.com (that is, will Frank Nuovo make a faberge egg handset?? would at least make his designer buddies laugh)