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To: TobagoJack who wrote (13924)	1/25/2002 12:21:16 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

No trial for this Enron exec. Looks like he performed the US version of sepukku. foxnews.com

To: TobagoJack who wrote (13924)	1/25/2002 2:25:27 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<I was not convinced that Mike Milken was a criminal, whereas these Enron & JPM folks require punishment even without trial> Economic terrorist criminals? Send them to the military trbunal in Cuba. Mq PS Actually, I haven't read anything about Enron, so have no idea that anyone did anything illegal or unethical - I watched Globalstar flame out in slow motion and am not convinced of illegality, though some lawyers allege defrauding of shareholders and believe they can prove it. Edit... I see CB has explained some illegality. I'll go and read her post to see what this Enron stuff is about... A brief scan looks like a bet on the future price of gas which was wrong. So the tax deductible trades became bad trades and then bad debts with no way to refinance with the hope of future hydrocarbon price increases. No wonder Iraq has sanctions still on.... large USA interests NEED high hydrocarbon prices and I think that's why sanctions have been on Iraq for a decade. Nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction, UN edicts and all the nonsense. Read all about it here: Message 15233289 Here are the last few lines to avoid a long rant.. <...But maybe more importantly [to them] was the fact that if Saddam was deposed and Iraq converted to a happy Middle East democracy, there would be no excuse to stop oil exports, and all that would mean to the oil price. Hence, "Whoa Boys!! Looks a bit dodgy up the road to Baghdad. Let's give up, accept Saddam staying there, and retreat to Kuwait. We can take potshots at him, have no-fly zones and stuff like that. He can have his palaces, his people can starve and we can have good oil prices - [Ed...meaning higher ones]". Mqurice PS: The oil companies needed higher oil prices because of huge debts. Well, 3G bidders need low interest rates because of huge debts. I hereby predict Alan Green$pan lowers interest rates further. >

To: TobagoJack who wrote (13924)	1/25/2002 3:20:31 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Gold rush hits Japan as savers seek out havens By Bayan Rahman in Tokyo and Adrienne Roberts in London Published: January 24 2002 20:08 \| Last Updated: January 24 2002 20:17 Last month a customer walked into The Gold Shop in Tokyo's Otemachi district, put ¥30m ($224,000) on the counter and asked for it to be converted into bullion. He left with 26kg of gold bars. Two weeks ago, Yoshihiro Matsumoto, head of the gold retail division at Mitsubishi Materials, helped a customer carry 20 kg of gold out of the shop. "He and I each carried 10kg in some paper bags he'd brought along. It was a long 10-minute walk to his car," he says. This is hardly a typical day's business for Japan's gold retailers. "Normally our customers buy 1kg-5kg of gold, but recently they're buying in huge amounts," says Mr Matsumoto. "And most people want to take their gold home rather than have it in a bank deposit box." With the government planning to curb protection on bank deposits, many savers would rather hold their wealth in gold than as money in a bank account. According to John Reade, precious metals analyst at UBS Warburg in London: "This is potentially the biggest gold demand story of the decade." With an average nest egg of around ¥14m per household, Japanese investors have a high propensity to save. They also have a reputation for caution. An estimated 45 per cent of their massive ¥1,400,000bn savings is held in bank accounts, with less than 10 per cent invested in the stock market. The existing deposit insurance regime provides a guarantee that if a financial institution fails, the government will repay depositors in full. But now, as part of its banking reforms, the government will impose a payout limit of ¥10m on time deposits from April 2002 and on all accounts from April 2003. "With no safe place to keep savings and other Japanese asset classes looking weak after a 10-year fall in equity prices and mushrooming government debt, physical gold and other precious metals look very attractive," said Mr Reade. About 50 small deposit-taking institutions collapsed last year, and Junichiro Koizumi, the prime minister, has said several times recently that the government would ensure Japan avoided a financial crisis. "Even though the yen price of gold is going up, people want to buy. And the April change is the main reason for that," said Yoshiko Mizutani, manager of The Gold Shop. "Customers tell me that even if the price of gold falls, it'll never fall to zero. But if their bank goes under, they worry their savings could disappear." Ms Mizutani thinks the recent bank bail-out of Daiei, the supermarket chain, has further undermined people's confidence in institutions that have been part of the fabric Japanese society for decades. Since September 11, Japanese investors have become more concerned about currency market volatility. And the collapse of US energy group Enron undermined confidence in fixed-income assets as many retail investors had put their savings into money management funds that included Enron bonds. Concern about Argentina's economy has also rattled investors who bought Argentine Samurai bonds, yen-denominated bonds by an overseas issuer. Retailers say most of the customers coming in are male and over 50 years old. Many are retired and fear their lifetime savings will be wiped out if there is a financial crisis. Not all of them live in the big cities. Tanaka, the largest bullion house, estimates that this month's sales at its 130 affiliated retailers in provincial cities will be five times their January 2001 levels. But whether Japanese savers' banking fears translate into a boom in gold demand will depend on marketing, according to Mr Reade. He says bodies such as the World Gold Council will need to ensure that gold and other precious metals "gain their share of investment" as savers seek out havens.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (13924)	1/25/2002 6:43:43 PM
From: jim black	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 74559

This death of a previous VP of Enron being called a suicide is a JOKE. CNN had it on that he was considered by the employees as "one of the good guys" and that he resigned last spring under protest. Suicide my ass!!! This is dark crap, a glimpse into the invisible war inside big business that makes the mafia look like lightweights. A suicide??? I do NOT buy it. A suicide note? Say you are in a car with a real badass and he shows you photos of all your loved ones, and then follows with photos of what he has done to others, probably out of country. Would you take the bullett to save your loved ones, all of them? How about your son, your daughter, your wife, your mother, or all of them? This is getting more rotten by the day. All IMNSHO Jim Black