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To: Artslaw who wrote (21518)	1/27/2002 11:45:24 PM
From: Craig Freeman	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 60323

Steven, Intel's latest "portable" P4s consume about 2 watts of "average" power. Run Quake and you will create so much heat that the average AMD "laptop" could become a "genital burner". Like Cyrix before them, AMD has no hope of creating the coolest laptop. Intel exceeds in technology and will ALWAYs have the coolest portable chips available anywhere. That, is just the way of things. I get a lot of "noise" as to why I built my system around a 0.13u Tualtin chip. While many AMD users are trying to overclock their Quake settings, Intel users tend to set things at "normal" I NEED a cool system. I demand zero problems. My PIII/1.2GHz system has never exceeded 86F on the Mobo. I no longer utilize tape backups. In the past few months, I had to send almost a dozen clients messages that they were transmitting a virus but I haven't had one first-hand. I have multiple backups on multiple removable drives (using both FireWire and USB 2.0). Would the latest Athlon or the latest P4 make my work go faster? A little faster, yes. Would they make my work more secure, no. Would I notice the difference, probably not. Can I run my mobo at 150Mhz?, yes. Where do I run it, at 133Mhz. Can I overclock my mobo to 150MHz or more?, yes. Where do I run it, on spec (133Mhz). Would my life change is I could squeeze an extra 10%+ out of my system ... no. IMHO, you have an obligation to choose wisely. If your PC runs hot, exchange it for a cool one. If your girlfriend runs cool, exchange her for a hot one. If your favorite stock in underperforming, sell it. And if you find a better long-term buy, buy it. If a stock performs well for several years, "marriage" is still not an option unless you are so big that the company offers you an attractive "prenuptual agreement". Craig

To: Artslaw who wrote (21518)	1/28/2002 2:34:56 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 60323

OT I agree that P4's run a lot hotter than PIII mobiles (which is what I think Tualatin ultimately is, right?), but I would guess that the new P4 2.0/2.2 GHz 0.13micron chips (at their lower voltage but larger cache) probably run cooler. The Tualatin is a .13 P3. It runs cooler then the .13 P4s. The AMD chips literally burned up (never to work again), whereas the Intel chips handled it by either turning off (the P3s) or throttling (P4s). That's why I pay the Intel premium--they don't cut corners. AMD includes the functionality to turn off the chip when it gets to hot as well but it wasn't enabled correctly on the particular MB used in that THG article. AMD parts do run ridiculously hot, so I'd avoid them for that reason alone. .18 P4s produce more heat then a Athlon XP with equivalent performance. But Intel's .13 laptop chips produce less heat. AMD hasn't rolled out their .13 chips yet. Tim