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To: Sully- who wrote (47058)1/25/2002 6:56:19 PM
From: Clappy  Respond to of 65232
 
Pittsburgh's goin' to the Super Bowl................ I've got a feeling!

I'll bet you 100 megabytes that the Patriots take 'em.

I know it's a crazy bet but I think this kid Brady (Pats' QB) is something special.

If you lay 4:1 odds, I'll take both the Eagles and the Patriots.

Anyone else have any spare megabytes they want to wager?

-JimmyTheGreeksBook



To: Sully- who wrote (47058)1/25/2002 9:14:17 PM
From: stockman_scott  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 65232
 
*Here are some new conspiracy theories about Enron...

(taken from an Enron thread on fuckedcompany.com)

<<posted 01-25-2002 04:37 PM
The guy who just "killed himself" was one of the company's biggest critics, and went out of his way to try and convince the execs to stop playing games.
Since the memo that Ms. Watkins wrote warning execs about fraud mentioned Baxter by name, it proves to the public that Baxter was pissed about the fraud and trying to stop it.

We're talking big money politics here- you don't think enron execs could afford to have the #1 witness murdered? And what's the favorite way to try and keep people from investigating a murder? Make it look like suicide or an accident.>>
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<<Originally posted by @guy...:
Anyone else remember the senior VP of Bre-X who accidentally "fell" out of a helicopter to his death a few weeks after their company collapsed in scandal?
LOL.

I expect senior execs from Arthur Anderson to start turning up dead soon..>>

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<<posted 01-25-2002 07:23 PM

CNBC just reported that Baxter was seen by a reporter who tried to visit Baxter several days ago. (I don't remember, but I think the reporter was with the local Houston paper.) The reporter said that Baxter was unshaven and unkept looking, and that his X-mas tree was still up. Police have released details on the suicide note, saying that Baxter said he was depressed over the Enron matter and distraught over the possibility of having to testify against his friends in Enron before Congress.
I smell bullshit.

If this eyewitness reporter is telling the truth, then Baxter may have feared for his life for some reason. He could have been kidnapped from his home, driven to the location of his death, and killed.>>

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<<The guy was a multi-millionaire, and if he was indeed a whistleblower, he could have bought himself out of a jam in the legal system. Probably could have been given protection for his testimony. The worst thing that might have happened to him is that he would have had to spend a couple of million protecting himself legally and spending 5 years in a cushy Federal prison.

Killed himself? I find it odd that the police seemed quite quick to declare his death a suicide. My dad once told me you can't buy off or influence the rich. The only thing left you can do to them is to kill them.>>
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<<posted 01-25-2002 05:42 PM

Suicide? PALLLLLEEASE!
We're talking about the same American justice system in which O.J. got off, and the Juice wasn't anywhere near as rich as this guy. If he sang in front of a Congressional committee, he could have been given immunity and made himself out like one of the Big Guys who was looking out for the Little Guys (Enron employees) who got screwed. He could have been a de facto hero.

It's very odd that the police appear to be blowing this off as a simple suicide. You would think that they would seriously look into this more closely considering what's going on with the company, but, oh, NOOOOOOOO...he was just sad, depressed about stuff and killed himself. The "suicide note" proves it after all.

If this happened with Clinton still as prez, you just know that the Republicans would be reaming him. But this seems far more disturbing and connected than anything Clinton was accused of, besides taking a BJ from a fat intern chick.>>
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<<OK, let's play conspiracy theory. If there is one, then who's the likely culprit in all of this?

I say it's not Bush but Cheney. Maybe Baxter had something on the VP -- maybe on deals that Cheney made with Enron about the country's energy policy. The whistleblower chick can be disgraced or ignored, but a rich former Enron exec who had the goods on a powerful person in the current administration could theoretically be a threat. Bush is probably clueless about all of this.

If things really get bad and the heat grows, maybe Bush will replace Cheney in 2004 -- that is, if Bush has the balls and if he actually has any control over what really goes on within his administration (which appears to be in doubt).>>
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<<posted 01-25-2002 06:06 PM
Follow the money & the bodies,someone is going to make millions just from the book right's on the continuing saga of the Enron, Masters of the Universe>>
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<<posted 01-25-2002 06:06 PM
Originally posted by truth_will_prevail:
Didn't Vince Foster commit suicide to?
Wouldn't be cool if this ex-executive's suicide was somehow related....

the folks in that last administration had a life span of about 2.5 years in the public spot light.......

Oh and Ron Brown...the former commerce secretary who had Enron ties...forgot about him...

This story keeps getting interesting...

BTW: JFK was only killed with one bullet...The cops said so..>>
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<<Originally posted by HockeyDad:
Exactly. Did you see my comment about how his car was found near his home in a median? Why leave home and go a few yards to kill yourself??? Snap decision? Doubtful.

Hey gang. These things just happen.>>

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<<Originally posted by NeroLivesOn:
Looks like Andersen has finished with the files and is moving on to people-shredding... its phase 2.
You know, thoroughness is really what you are paying for in a big 5 accounting firm.

Andersen would've used a woodchipper, like in "Fargo.">>
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<<posted 01-25-2002 06:38 PM
and another point... how long can the
fuckin' media continue to report this
stuff with a straight face... like that's
really what actually did happen and no
one with any sense would question
the story we're getting???
the bizarreness of events is accelerating
exponentially... how much more can we
take???>>
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<<posted 01-25-2002 06:51 PM
Re: Vince Foster, even the Republican's beloved Ken Starr looked into this enough to realize it wasn't worth investigating. Originally repubs claimed he killed himself because of whitewater, but we all know now that whitewater wasn't even a scandal.
This, on the other hand, looks much more like a murder. There is a motive and lots of money on the line. If you pay someone ~30 million bucks to take someone out, you can get someone who works for the police, who knows what the cops and forensic specialists look for. You can get some very smart person on the inside to murder someone and make it look like a suicide. No witnesses, no forensic evidence pointing to a murder. Case closed, this can't go very far.

The truth will never be known. And Chandra Levy's whereabouts remain unknown. And OJ walks about a free man. Money talks.>>



To: Sully- who wrote (47058)1/28/2002 6:27:12 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Accounting for a murkier corporate America

By Steven Syre & Charles Stein
The Boston Globe
1/27/2002

merica's capital markets have long been known for two things: the trading liquidity that trillions of invested dollars can provide, and an unparalleled level of transparency that gives aid and comfort to shareholders who can believe they know what they own.

Those markets have been considered the investor's version of the Visible Human, the 14-inch transparent model that helps children see and comprehend human anatomy in all its internal layers. When emerging markets collapse, across Asia for example, analysts often point to their lack of transparency and hold up America as the global gold standard.

But the US stock market's reputation for clear and thorough financial reporting is taking its lumps. And a growing number of individual cases are making investors question how many companies are giving them partial or distorted views of reality.

At one extreme, there is Enron Corp. Everyone knows the story line by now: Lots of action in entities off the balance sheet and watchdogs who fail to blow the whistle in public. When the game is up, rev up the shredders and watch the auditor take the Fifth on television.

Other situations are making headlines at the same time. ImClone Systems Inc. is under increasing federal scrutiny by agencies that want to know whether the company misled investors about the prospects of its cancer drug Erbitux.

A Business Week cover story this month questioned whether Internet-era giant Cisco Systems Inc. was really as profitable as it claimed through the boom. Conglomerate Tyco International Ltd. of Exeter, N.H., long suspect for its extremely complex business structure and financial accounting, announced plans last week to break up into four companies to simplify its organization and reduce debt.

Are these incidents a series of noisy but unrepresentative anecdotes, or are capital markets and the stocks that trade in them broadly less transparent than they used to be? Academics and market pros suggest the latter, that it's tougher to get a clear picture of corporate America.

''In this much more complex world in which there are so many more ways to cut the end of the melon, transparency has actually slipped from where it was five or 10 years ago,'' said Samuel Hayes of the Harvard Business School.

Part of the problem was created intentionally by people trying to take advantage of a stock market deluged with new money in the late1990s. Managers and a circle of abetters all had incentives to make the condition and operations of their business less clear to outsiders.

A few cases are scandals; most fall into a grayer area. But companies everywhere assigned managers to spin control to convince Wall Street that business was good and they deserved a rich stock price-to-earnings multiple.

''Every important company had a `keeper of the multiple' to spoon-feed analysts,'' said Chuck Clough of Clough Capital Partners in Boston. ''Companies were using all kinds of accounting gimmickry to show higher earnings. How profitable was US business at the late stages of the boom? The answer is not very profitable at all.''

The people who run companies have greater incentives to fudge their financials today because they have so much more money at stake. A decade ago, investors decried unresponsive managers, insisting on a system of stock awards and options to align executive interests with those of shareholders. Perhaps it was a good idea taken too far.

''Corporate managers have a lot more skin in the game than they used to,'' said Paul Healy, a Harvard Business School professor. ''That potentially exacerbates the problem.''

Auditing firms found themselves in compromising situations. The large accounting firms that provide those services make much more money as business consultants, often to the same clients they audit. In some cases, academics say, an audit could practically become a loss leader to win more lucrative consulting business.

The conflict of brokerage analysts who follow public stocks became the story of the Internet stock market collapse. Working for the same companies that serve as investment bankers, a role offering astronomically higher compensation, made it hard to blow any whistles, or even issue an occasional ''sell'' recommendation.

Even money managers who bought stocks often selected individual investments less on their business performance than on the expectation the shares would rise.

The flood of money into the stock market created enormous liquidity that pushed prices higher regardless. ''Liquidity can hide a lot of sins,'' said Clough.

Most people in the crowd of managers, auditors, brokers, and investors ultimately had less incentive to be explicit and direct about the financial status of public companies. Krishna Palepu, a Harvard Business School professor focused on the interaction of companies and capital markets, believes those people have to be given greater financial rewards for publishing better information.

''Product information in magazines like Consumer Reports tends to be much better quality,'' he said. ''We should ask how we can produce that level of quality information, but we can't do it in financial markets.''

Complexity and confusion in accounting aren't always the result of people conspiring to hype a company. A large part of the problem is a more complex and confusing world in which businesses operate.

Drug companies begin to write down the value of research long before they know whether a product will succeed or to what degree. Technology hardware companies sometimes write off inventory considered obsolete. The value of financial instruments like derivatives and swaps at any given moment can be a matter of endless debate.

Dozens of issues like these make it harder to grasp the value of a company's assets or its business. Generally there are many more adding to the confusion than there were 10 or 20 years ago.

''Business has changed a lot from the days of making a product and shipping it out the door,'' said Scott Black, president of Delphi Management in Boston.

But accounting was as much art as science, even in those days. The details of financial statements require many assumptions that can affect results across an entire spreadsheet. The result is not so much a black and white picture of a company as it is a version of reality or a snapshot in time.

Excesses created by the stock market boom and its manipulation are painful and expensive but mostly self-correcting. The accounting knots that come with an increasingly complex world won't go away. It's more than likely that the problem will get worse.

In the meantime, it's important to make sure everyone's interests are in line. The market needs good information and reliable watchdogs. It should be prepared to pay for them.
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Steven Syre (617-929-2918) and Charles Stein (617-929-2922) can be reached by e-mail at boscap@globe.com.

This story ran on page E1 of the Boston Globe on 1/27/2002.



To: Sully- who wrote (47058)1/28/2002 8:21:08 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
Enron Footprints Revive Old Image of Caymans

January 28, 2002
The New York Times
By DAVID GONZALEZ

GRAND CAYMAN, Cayman Islands, Jan. 26 — People here had always made their livelihoods offshore. Generations ago, Caymanian men were renowned as sailors aboard ships headed for the United States and Europe. Now residents of those old ports of call venture here to make or protect their fortunes in offshore banks and businesses.

In less than four decades, this territory of the United Kingdom has gone from being a mosquito-infested island to being the world's fifth-largest financial center. The growth has brought opportunities, providing good jobs and fueling the local economy. But it has also brought opportunists who have taken advantage of the island's lack of income taxes and its booming banking sector to evade taxes or launder money.

Government officials insist that those episodes are in the past and that they have strict financial regulations and procedures to exchange information with law enforcement agencies in different countries.

But old perceptions linger, and not just those in John Grisham's legal thrillers, where a Cayman Islands bank account is de rigeur. The recent disclosure that the Enron Corporation (news/quote) used nearly 700 partnerships registered in the Cayman Islands to avoid paying federal taxes has revived suspicions. A recently signed treaty to exchange tax information with American authorities has been derided by some American prosecutors as a sham because it would not take effect for a few years, which they said would give tax cheats ample time to find another haven.

Executives and officials on Grand Cayman are used to the skepticism, even as they insist they are not the impenetrable tax haven of old. They want to prove that the notion of someone sauntering into a local bank with sacks of money or setting up free-wheeling deals is myth in an age when international monitors keep close watch.

"The fact that the Cayman Islands are tax-free doesn't equate with this being some kind of black hole," said Deborah Drummond, the government's assistant financial secretary. "We provide a very necessary service to global capital markets, and when requested, we have the ability to fully cooperate with international authorities. The concept of stashing money in a tax haven and dropping off the face of the earth is not an appropriate way to look at what the Cayman Islands are about."

With tens of thousands of business partnerships listed in the Cayman Islands, though, and with hundreds of banks here, there is no doubt that the financial sector has driven the island's new prosperity and a high — some say too expensive — standard of living.

Although the popular image may be that of a Caribbean Casablanca harboring bon vivants with a penchant for fast cars and faster cash, the streets of downtown George Town, on Grand Cayman, are mostly full of gawking tourists from the cruise ships anchored nearby. Most of the cars are the sedans and sport utility vehicles found in American suburbs, as are the homes, although there are some spectacular oceanfront estates.

Oddly enough for a Caribbean island that has been plagued by accusations of financial shenanigans, there are no casinos nor even a lottery, because religious-minded locals resist gambling as an evil.

The transformation into a financial center began in the mid-1960's, when officials capitalized on the island's no-tax policies to pass banking laws that became the foundation of the financial sector.

The 1980's brought problems to this and other offshore centers, as money launderers relied on banks that were unprepared or unwilling to ask too many questions of their customers. "I don't think anybody in the United States was focused on it until then, said Thomas Jefferson, a former financial secretary. "It caused all of us to look inside and look at what were our policies."

Since 1990, when the island entered into a mutual legal assistance treaty with the United States, banking regulators say they have provided information to investigators in 180 criminal cases.

Nevertheless, concern over some practices led international monitors to label the Cayman Islands in June 2000 as uncooperative in fighting money laundering. They were taken off the blacklist last June, after codifying what banking regulators said were already common practices. Still, all players in the financial sector from banks to lawyers now have to review every single one of their clients in order to ensure their identity and sources of income.

"You either get over it, deal with it, or whine and become more marginalized," Ms. Drummond said. "We got the whining out of our system a while ago."

Today, there are more than 400 banks and 47,000 partnerships registered or licensed in the Cayman Islands. The government, which prefers to allow the private sector to market the island's services, has moved away from the notion of being a tax haven and prefers to focus on the range of professional services offered by the 6,000 people who work in the financial sector.

The banks include about a dozen full-service institutions, with the rest being offshore banks that by law must be affiliated with either a local or overseas bank. Although the Cayman Islands started the decade with about 62 shell banks that were essentially conduits for cash, recent changes in the law require all banks to have a physical presence, records and books in the islands.

Although Enron's multitude of partnerships have raised suspicions, officials and executives here said such companies are legitimately used by major corporations to defer taxes, maximize profits or provide a tax-neutral setting for deals involving businesses in two countries with different tax rates. Aircraft deals have become popular here, for example, because the island's stability is acceptable to manufacturers and insurers who worry about the political climate or legal protections of some Third World clients.

"These are real deals, not paper transactions designed to deceive," said Tony Travers, the senior partner at Maples and Calder, a law firm on Grand Cayman. "This is not brass-plate stuff. We have real people here and we know we add value, for the simple reason that clients would not pay us if we did not."

By some estimates, Cayman banks hold $800 billion in American money — a figure that last year led Robert M. Morgenthau, the district attorney in Manhattan, and others investigating tax cases to question how much of it was there to keep it from the reach of tax collectors.

But Cayman bankers and officials, long accustomed to these criticisms, said that most of that figure represents money from major American banks that has been booked in Cayman accounts in order to gain interest, among other advantages.

"Those $800 billion are not physically in the Cayman Islands, it is all in New York," said Conor O'Dea, managing director of Bank of Butterfield. "It is booked with banks in the Cayman Islands. It is not a wire transfer. We would love to have $800 billion in deposits."

Still, the islands enjoy perhaps the highest standard of living in the Caribbean. Many people who were born here and remember the days when the only jobs for young men were aboard ships said the financial industry has provided more opportunities. At the same time, some lament the loss of an easy-going, trusting pace, especially when expatriates outnumber native-born Caymanians.

"Some of the expats don't have a feeling of unity," said William Ebanks, a farmer who grows pineapples and raises hogs on the northeast part of Grand Cayman. "It's more a feeling of they're here to get what they can and go."

That philosophy has also been adopted by some native-born acquaintances of one local woman who works in a law firm. She said that while it has taken her more than 10 years to finish building her house, some of her co-workers have managed to build two homes.

"I know how I got my house," said the woman, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "We get the same pay. How could they get so far in life?"

But keeping up with with the neighbors here can become expensive because of a hefty 20 percent duty on imported goods, an indirect tax that adds up quickly because almost everything here has to be imported from the United States.

"When I grew up, I could go fish and that was good enough to eat," said Rudy Manderson, who runs a construction company. "Now, if you don't have a T-bone steak, you're not in the groove. The tourists and foreigners eat these, so people figure they have to eat the same thing."



To: Sully- who wrote (47058)1/28/2002 8:41:35 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 65232
 
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