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To: TimF who wrote (142157)	1/27/2002 8:25:03 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1579003

Tim, you might not consider the analogy poor if you could get away from making the analogy between cancer and guns, and instead make the analogy about how difficult it is to cure cancer vs how difficult it is to stop the proliferation of hand guns in this country. If the analogy is between controling guns and cureing cancer then guns are the cancer in the analogy. No.........the analogy is not between the two subjects but between the two predicates. "it would be very hard to enforce a ban and the last people left with guns would be hardend criminals." If that were true, it would be very easy to kill people in Sweden, Germany, Norway etc. since very few have guns. Apparently, they're more evolved than we are. Many people still do carry guns on a regular basis, and in the areas where they do violent crime is less common. That seems more civilized to me then to have the criminals as the only people who are armed. Do you have statistics do back up these statements? I am claiming that whites and Christians in this country do not experience proportionally the level of racial and religous hate crimes experienced by non white, non Christian minorities. They probably don't but they do experience racially motivated crimes, or crimes motivated by religious hatred. Very few black or Jewish people experience hate crimes either. I don't know what you mean by a few but they are enough; they are on the rise; and they can be very violent and result in death. What I originally said was "people of all races get murdered sometimes in horrible ways" You replied "Your comments re crimes against whites do not reflect my experiences at all and thus, are not worth my arguing" I ask again which part of my statement does not "reflect your expereince"? Once again, the numbers are no where near proportionate.........there are far more hate crimes against minorities than against whites......however you won't find that out by reading the conservative press. Certainly these laws have cut down on the amount of outright discrimination but by no means have eliminated it, They have increased it because they are an example of outright discrimination and they cause a greater identification with race and sometimes resentment of other races. Really? Its affirmative action laws that are mitigating some of the disparities between whites and minorities..........for an example, national income statistics finally are improving for minorities at a decent pace although the gap between them and whites remains about the same. And even with these laws, the statistics show at least in terms of income that there is still a bias against minorities and women. One example........statistically as of the mid 90's, CA Asians had reached the highest average educational levels of all groups in CA; however, whites on average had the better income. The statistics show there is a consistent relationship between the level of higher education and a person's income; the higher the educational level completed, the higher the income. That remains true all the way thru the various levels until we get to the highest education levels where Asians ruled.....that's when the correlation between income and education breaks down and education no longer determines the highest median income. So, in spite of your thesis, all that affirmative action stuff may make whites feel the hot sting of discrimination but it doesn't seem to be hurting their incomes.....at least not in CA. ted