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To: epicure who wrote (4139)	1/26/2002 9:40:04 AM
From: coug	Respond to of 51765

Thank you very much X, Every word that's been written and every song that has been sung I try to learn from.. Positively or negatively. I guess then everything has something to offer. Learn what to do from the positive material and what not to do from the negative... Problem is I try to stay away from the trash.. So I do not know what they are up to .. Scary .. So I guess I had better catch up on it.. <vbg>.. I might even learn to like it. LOL.. OH NO.. Never, a thousand times never, I hope..gg Take care.. m

To: epicure who wrote (4139)	1/26/2002 1:24:46 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 51765

Hi X, Continued reading about the Lakes people.. Talking about spatial boundaries between cultures.. "Likely some frustrated souls wish for clear and quantifiable aboriginal territories better suited to the needs of our present-day political dilemmas. "Is it too much to expect simple reality?' they might ask. Of course many of us forget that territory is a temporal entity, that a people's places changes over time. A territory and it's borders maybe either new, as in the case of modern nation-states, or considerably older. Yet no matter what the depth of antiquity, drawing concrete boundaries is an acquiescence to a false idea of stasis: it is like stopping time at one point in a people's history." .... It goes on.."Anthropologist A.L. Kroeber (1963 [1939]: 5) agrees that drawing boundaries between cultural-political groups is the 'weakest feature of any mapping.' Unfortunately most methods of depicting time, space and culture all together provide a most inadequate representation of the actual complexity on the ground." Most of us know this, well some anyway.<g> ie: the former Soviet Republic of course being a prime recent example.. And I do not think it can be stopped. Like so many do that want to put up a hard and fast spatial and cultural boundary around the U.S. It won't work IMO, in the long run.. Possibly looking down the road, a 1000 years or so, anthropologists studying North America, will move all boundaries north.. Or better yet, realize by then, there was no need for spatial boundaries, only recognizing differences in cultures.. OR BETTER yet Maybe "countries" are akin to "plate tectonics" in geology.. Plates of people floating around on the surface of the Earth, always in motion, always changing, with all eventually being eaten up by subduction zones when their time comes.. LOL. Take care ....and beware.. of those subduction zones and we will jump to the next one when ours is ready to dive under..<gg> m