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To: hmaly who wrote (70146)2/2/2002 3:20:09 PM
From: TenchusatsuRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
Hmaly, <This discussion is about how the jihad started ten yrs ago , not how Sanders is finishing it.>

We were talking about the relevance of the former to the latter. Remember that when I said Sanders was on a jihad, combjelly countered that Intel was the one who started it. (EDIT) Not to mention that when Elmer said the same thing I did, you also countered the same way combjelly did.

Tenchusatsu



To: hmaly who wrote (70146)2/2/2002 3:56:19 PM
From: EpinephrineRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 275872
 
RE:<This discussion is about how the jihad started ten yrs ago , not how Sanders is finishing it.>

It's very funny that you think that Sander's bravado is "finishing it", it could very easily be argued that Sander's egomania and inability to control his inflammatory statements was a contributing factor to the start of the so called 'jihad'. I think that once Intel attained the power and clout to drop the second source requirement that IBM forced upon them it made economic sense for them to do so, no one can really blame them for that, but they didn't do it very fairly and I am not sure that I would have either if Sanders had been literally dissing me. Any way you slice it Jerry Sanders is not perfect and it could very easily be argued that he was treated just as he deserved to be given his ungratious tactless rhetoric in the face of business that was pretty much handed to him on a silver platter.

From 'Inside Intel' pages 231 and 232

Meanwhile, Jerry Sanders was unable to resist crowing in public about how well he had done from the agreement. Before he had left AMD, Simonson had writhed in agony as the AMD chairman told an invited group of securities analysts visiting from New York what a great deal it had been, and how foolish Intel had been to sign it. Simonsen had tried a number of times to warn Sanders not to shoot his mouth off. 'Say we're successful, by all means. Tell them whatever you want about how good the company is. But you don't need to continually address this contract and rub Grove's nose it it.'

Tom Skornia, AMD's general counsel, had detected the same problem even earlier. On the very day the deal was publicized in 1982, he had sat in the audience at the press conference and scrutinized Andy Grove's reaction while Sanders was repeating his mantra about how the agreement was an 'alliance of peers.'

'The look on Grove's face was priceless,' he remembered. 'Intel and Grove, in their own estimation are without peers.'

By 1984. Sanders was beginning to take serious risks. At an analysts' meeting at the Pierre Hotel in New York in September, an analyst asked the AMD chairman to explain how it could be possible that Intel had invented the 'E-Squared' PROM, a new type of EPROM, and yet AMD seemed to have brought the product to market almost simultaneously and sold more units. In answer, Sanders proceeded to trash Intel's manufacturing process in Albuquerque. He explained, in detail, how this was a case in which Intel had failed to execute on a good piece of technology development- and added that the problem was not that unusual, either.

'I thought: Why would he do this to a guy who came to America after throwing Molotov cocktails in front of Russian tanks in Budapest?' recalled Skornia. 'Andy Grove must have picked up the trade press, read about those remarks, and said 'That's it.' It's clear that [the relationship] went downhill from there. It was clearly a tremendously imprudent thing to do. But [Sanders] just had to crow about the fact that he had a bigger market share and Intel was the 'inventor'"


(the italics and brackets etc. are verbatim from the book, the emphasis is not mine)

Epinephrine