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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (10086)2/4/2002 6:36:58 PM
From: James Calladine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
"Now in the case of the ultimate knowing--in the case of knowing yourself as the Creator--you cannot experience your Self as creator unless and until you create. And you cannot create yourself until you uncreate yourself. In a sense, you have to first "not be" in order to be"

Here is a somewhat parallel and contrasting view from
Adi Da:

Divine Self-Realization

There is only the Self-Existing and Self-Radiant Divine Being, Who Is One. All beings and things and worlds are ultimately and Really only identical to That One, Who Is God, the Divine Person.

Only God is Alive as everyone and everything. All beings and things and worlds are arising as spontaneous transformations, or modifications, of That One. God eternally Transcends the world and all beings, and yet the world and all beings are nothing but God. It is a Great and Passionate Mystery.

The individual being, manifested as the body-mind, is only a transformation, or modification, of the Divine Person. Wherever or whenever there is a psycho-physical being, the Divine Being is Conscious as that limitation and feels Itself to be a particular being.

There is no internal self, or "soul", within and independent of the body-mind. The individual body-mind is a modification of, or play upon, the Infinite, Inherently Spiritual (or All-Pervading), and Transcendental Divine Being. The body-mind itself, in its contraction, or recoil, from the universal pattern of relations, suggests or implies the subjective internal self or independent "soul" idea. And once the body-mind, or independent self-pattern, arises, it tends to persist, as a process of transformation, lifetime after lifetime, until there is Awakening to the Truth, and, ultimately, Translation into the Divine Self-Domain-the Divine Self-Condition of Love-Bliss Itself.

As you adapt and evolve and achieve Ecstasy in the Divine, you Realize your eternal inherence in That One and, ultimately, your Identity as That One. Such is Divine Enlightenment, Divine Liberation, or Divine Self-Realization. Therefore, Divine Enlightenment, Divine Liberation, Divine Self-Realization, or That Which is to be Realized, is not a form of "status" or egoic achievement in this world, the after-death world, or the next lifetime, but It is the Condition of Love-Bliss, or Happiness, Which Transcends the body-mind, its experiences, its relations, and the world, even as the world continues.

The "being" that is Awakened to the Truth may abide simply as that Identity, excluding participation in the active pattern of the body-mind, its relations, and the world, and excluding as well the self-transcending gesture of Ecstasy in the Universal, or Total, Divine. Such is the disposition in the sixth stage of life. Just so, when you are only beginning to understand your circumstance in God, you may embrace the lesser disposition of abiding in a state of simple absorption in the Spirit-Presence of the Divine Being. Such conditional ecstasy characterizes fulfillment in the fourth stage of life and the fifth stage of life, and it arises when the separate and separative self, or body-mind, becomes contemplatively absorbed in the Divine Power that is experientially perceived by or within the body-mind itself. But in the Fullness of the seventh stage of life there is Most Perfect, total, and most profound acknowledgement that the total body-mind, all beings, and the total world of possibilities inhere in an eternal Condition of Inherently Perfect Identity with the Divine Being. Then there is no reaction either toward inwardness or toward release of conditional self through internal or external experience. The total body-mind and its conditions and relations are Realized to abide in inherent Identification with That One. Therefore, there is simple persistence as Divine Love-Bliss and Consciousness Itself, whatever arises. Every moment of experience is Realized to be equally and totally Profound. This continues, through all the acts and moments and transformations of the body-mind in Love-Bliss, until the body-mind and its experience are dissolved, passed away, or Outshined by the Self-Existing and Self-Radiant Divine Being.

The Living God, the Beloved of all beings, has, from Eternity, become a Great Sacrifice. The Self-Existing and Self-Radiant One has become the Process of all possibilities. Living beings are not merely the creatures or victims of God, created and set apart to suffer for some inexplicable reason. Living beings are the very Sacrifice of God. God is Alive as you. Your life is the creative ordeal to which God is eternally Submitted. You need only Realize the Living One and thus become capable of this Divine Sacrifice, which is an eternal creative ordeal of Love that leads, step by step, toward a Most Perfect Transformation. Once you transcend the illusion of your dark separate self and enter into the Divine Process, you will see clearly that the existence and destiny of the world and every being is the Fullness of Love-Bliss in an Inherently Perfect State that has become One with the Person and the Domain of the Divine.

This is My Testimony and My Confession. And it is the Culmination of the Testimonies and Confessions proclaimed by all the Adepts who have appeared to Serve mankind on Earth.


From "The Heart's Shout" (1996)

How does this statement strike you, Bill, relative to what
you are quoting from CWG?

Namaste!

Jim