To: Rambi who wrote (61870 ) 2/5/2002 8:48:35 AM From: Crocodile Respond to of 71178 Why, thank you, Rambi. Yes, indeed. Girlgoats have horns unless they are "polled" (meaning born naturally hornless - which isn't really very common). Horns tend to be quite varied between breeds of goats too. The pygmy goats which Ish mentioned tend to have quite short, straight horns, but sometimes curved. Nubian-type goats from Africa-Middle Eastern regions usually have slim, straight horns that bow outwards...almost antelope like. While goats from northern Europe such as the Toggenburgs from Switzerland can huge, heavy, curving horns. Bucks have very large horns compared to does (females). Horns continue to grow and mature with the goat so that the horns on a 1-year-old goat will be nowhere near the size and diameter of horns on a 6-year-old goat. I have seen older female goats with absolutely massive sets of horns. By the way, female goats often have beards... something which confuses many non-goat-people who assume that because a goat has a long "goatee", that it must be a buck. Not true. Females tend to have goatees, while mature males have huge, bushy Santa Claus style beards. Oh, and about the "spraying urine on beards" stuff. Without wanting to shock anyone with indelicate descriptions, male goats have quite the specially-designed apparatus for spraying urine on their beards or just about anywhere they please. This, by the way, is one of the perils of working "within range" of a buck as they can spray a fine mist of urine over a large "splatter circle" that would rival many sawed-off shotguns. Just remember to move well away when you see a buck pulling out his fire hose to do a little recreational spraying...my, my, my.. it can be quite entertaining when he catches some uninitiated person unawares and douses them with his fine scented cologne. ;-}> Aaaahhh...what I know about goats could fill an entire book..and kind of has... And..uh...yes! Actually, I sometimes do write textbooks for kids...er... human kids that is. I've been told that they are rather enjoyable to read because they are FUNNY (but full of information too). (o: GoatLady Croc