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To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)2/6/2002 9:15:21 PM
From: gilbert leblanc  Respond to of 116845
 
And what about other uses of silver...

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Take care.

Gilbert



To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)2/6/2002 9:22:23 PM
From: Little Joe  Respond to of 116845
 
Well, the figures I have seen show that silver usage for photography is still on the rise. That does not surprise me. In order to use digital photography, you need a computer, a color printer, and a fairly expensive camera that doesn't produce any better photos than a disposable camera. I think it will be a long time before we see significant declines in silver usage for photography.

Little joe



To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)2/6/2002 11:21:59 PM
From: E. Charters  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116845
 
You cannot do commercial film i.e. movies, industrial training, porn etc, entirely on electronic media. The installed base of movie houses is large. Movie going is a growing industry. Most of Kodak's silver goes towards this roll film industry. And 90% of that silver is recycled from old stock. The person who proved that silver beats videotaping was Lucille Ball who insisted that 3 35 mill cameras shoot "I love Lucy". The improved quality was apparent to the audience and the production values of ILL contributed to its successs. Today everyone who can afford it uses multiple film cameras. Hollywood is still 35 mil. Videotape just cannot do the big screen and the backdrops in any convincing way. Advanced editing is much harder in videotape too. In order to duplicate film's quality on 35 mm you would need more than 1 billion pixels. That is how fine grained silver is. It can be blown up to microscopic level. Hell, 35 mill can be blown to 25 feet! Try that with your LCD camera. And no no jaggies either. Professional quality cameras that a newspaper photographer would use, still cost 8,000 dollars for electronic media.

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To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)2/6/2002 11:43:41 PM
From: long-gone  Respond to of 116845
 
<<Silver use in photography should decline at accelerated speed. >>

all depends on whom you speak of. I have two step daughters who I wish would get into "real" digital photography. Instead they use their tried & true 35MM PDB's have the film developed get set of prints a link to a web site with photo's simply posted and left for a short time. They then keep the negatives,(one keeps a burnt CD), & puts the prints in an album with all these cutesy decals fancy edgings & ...

Haven't you been approached by all the gals that do photo albums with stickers as a hobby?



To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)5/21/2002 6:52:25 AM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116845
 
OT
Update
<<Silver use in photography should decline at accelerated speed. >>

Saturday April 13, 12:01 am Eastern Time
BusinessWeek Online
Digital Cameras: Pixels Aren't Everything

Daily Briefing: FLASH PRODUCT REVIEW

By Stephen H. Wildstrom

The folks who market digital gear to consumers like to have a nice, simple number to sell. Computer companies still pitch their newest models on the basis of processor speed, even though that statistic long ago stopped having much meaning for most buyers, who would be hard pressed to tell the difference between a 2-gigahertz Pentium 4 and a 1.2-GHz Celeron. Digital-camera makers are paying the same game, but this time the bait is megapixels rather than megahertz.


Kodak's introduction of the DX4900, a $400 consumer camera with a 4-megapixel sensor, shows that the megapixel war is in full swing. But Nikon's $380 CoolPix 2500 is a 2-megapixel camera that proves that there's a lot more to pictures than pixels.

The pixel count in a digital camera is indeed important, but understanding what it means -- and why more is not always better -- is critical to making an informed choice when looking for a camera that suits your needs. A pixel, short for ``picture element,'' is the fundamental component of a digital image. The more pixels, the more information an image contains and the finer the detail that can be resolved. The equivalent of a pixel in conventional film is a grain of silver halide. It's estimated that a 35-mm frame of fine-grained film such as Kodacolor has the information content of a billion pixels or more.

WASTED INFO. How many pixels you actually need depends on how you plan to use your pictures. For photos put on a Web site or e-mailed to friends or relatives, even 1 megapixel [1 million pixels] is overkill. A full-screen picture at 1,024x768 resolution uses just 786,432 pixels. Supply more than that, and all you do is slow downloads with information that will be thrown away.

Printing is another story, but even there the demand for pixels isn't unlimited. A 2-megapixel image will produce a very good quality 8x10 print. Kodak brags that the DX-4900 can make ``stunning prints to 20x30 inches.'' That may be true, but when did you last make a 20x30 print or even enlarge a quarter of a frame to 8x10 size?

Professional photographers need all the pixels they can get because they make big prints or high-magnification enlargements. Casual photographers, as a rule, do not and will be perfectly happy with a 2-megapixel camera.

STORAGE SHORTAGE. The DX-4900 is a very competent, if not terribly exciting digital camera. Personally, I would have traded some of those pixels for a better lens. The camera offers only a 2X optical zoom, giving a range equivalent to 33-mm to 70-mm lenses on a 35-mm camera. [A 3X digital zoom is also provided, but this is more like an enlargement than true zoom: You trade image quality for size.] The DX-4900 is very simple to use, partly because it offers only a limited range of manual controls.

You do pay a price for all those pixels, however, since the included 16-megabyte CompactFlash storage card can hold only 12 shots at standard-quality settings. [If you want the ultimate in storage, consider SanDisk's new 1-gigabyte CompactFlash card. Of course, at over $700 it costs more than most cameras, but it will hold 750-plus DX-4900 pictures on a single card.]

Uploading your pictures to a Windows PC or a Mac is simple with Kodak's EasyShare system. You set the camera in a tray, press a button, and the pictures are on their way. This system automatically launches software that offers printing on your own printer or on Kodak's commercial service, sharing via e-mail or the Web, and minimal editing functions.

SWIVEL AND SHOOT. While the DX-4900 is about as conventional as a digital camera can get, Nikon's CoolPix 2500 is a somewhat radical design. Closed, it resembles a small tape recorder more than a camera and slides easily into a pocket. To take pictures, a section on the left side of the unit rotates to bring the lens and flash into shooting position.

The design, inspired by Nikon's high-end CoolPix 995, allows you to swivel the lens through an angle of about 90 degrees. This can be a big advantage if you want to hold the camera over you head and shoot downward, as you may when taking pictures at a crowded event. The 3X optical zoom lens gives focal lengths equivalent to 37-mm to 111-mm lenses on a 35-mm camera. The 16-MB CompactFlash card holds 31 standard-quality exposures.

The CoolPix 2500's design forces one serious drawback. It has no optical viewfinder, just a 1.5-inch LCD display. Unlike those on some competitors, this LCD offers very high contrast and brightness, so it's usable even in strong sunlight. But having to rely exclusively on an LCD viewfinder cuts into the rechargeable lithium ion battery's life, which is rated at a relatively short 80 minutes of continuous use.

SUNSET SETTINGS. While the CoolPix 2500 works perfectly well as a point-and-shoot snapshot camera, it offers many of the manual controls that users of Nikon's more expensive digital cameras have come to expect. Very few, if any, cameras in its class provide a manual white-balance setting, which allows you to tailor your picture's color balance for the scene's lighting. More interesting to most likely buyers of this sort of camera are optimized exposure and focus settings for a dozen different types of scenes, including portraits and landscapes, as well as sunsets, snow, and fireworks.

The CoolPix won't quite displace the Canon Digital Elph SA-110 as my pocketable digital camera of choice. For one thing, I really miss the optical viewfinder. But as a solid and versatile midprice camera, it's tough to beat -- even though it has only half the pixels of its competitor from Kodak.
biz.yahoo.com



To: Nikole Wollerstein who wrote (81671)7/12/2002 12:03:39 PM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116845
 
<<Silver use in photography should decline at accelerated speed. >>


WRONG
WRONG
WRONG

Photo Makers Need Silver Despite Going Digital
Tue Jul 2, 7:32 AM ET
By Kerstin Gehmlich
LONDON (Reuters) - Digital cameras are all the rage among holidaymakers this year but it's too early to write off traditional film cameras, especially in Asia, analysts say.

Users of digital cameras can watch and edit photos on their computers and do not need film and photographic paper, raising concern in the industry that demand for the important component silver might now flag.

But analysts believe the effect of increased digital camera use has been modest so far.

"For the last five or 10 years, people have called in the end of photographic silver. But it's not too sharp because people don't change technologies quickly and the price for digital cameras is still too high for many consumers," said Ross Norman, analyst at TheBullionDesk.com.

"You would have to see a dramatic change in pricing for things to change. At the moment, it's not compelling for people to bin their old cameras. The traditional sector still uses silver in films and on papers, and there is rising demand for reprints."

The precious metal, mostly associated with jewelry, is a key ingredient in photographic film and photo paper and is also used in electronics because of its malleability and high conductivity.

The photographic sector accounts for around 25 percent of total fabrication demand for silver.

Demand for silver-bearing photographic products dropped by four percent in 2001 to 210.2 million ounces from 219.5 million the year before, according to the Washington-based Silver Institute. However, the use of traditional film in China rose by 30 percent.

"The big question over the absolute impact is clouded by a negative impact by digital photos in Western countries. But at the same time, there is growing use of film in

developing countries, especially in China and India, with growing incomes and falling costs of cameras," said Kamal Naqvi, metals analyst at Macquarie Research.

The number of digital cameras worldwide is expected to double by 2004 while traditional cameras are to increase only by about nine percent. This would reduce the 2002 estimated gap between 1.15 billion film cameras and 57 million digital ones, U.S.-based Photofinishing News said in a study.

But even if digital cameras swept away the need for silver-based films, the precious metal would still be essential to the photo industry. Camera-makers like Eastman Kodak are promoting prints from digital cameras and online storage on silver halide paper.

Photofinishing News estimated that silver use in photo paper would increase from 39 million ounces in 2000 to 45 million ounces in 2005.

Kodak spokesman James Blamphin in New York said he saw no change in the company's demand for silver now or in the immediate future.

"Demand for film is unaffected by the rise of digital cameras. A long way down the road, that is possible to change but we are not seeing diminished demand for film at the moment," Blamphin told Reuters, adding that demand for photographic paper was steady.

SILVER PRICES

Since the beginning of 1998, silver prices have fallen from over seven dollars per ounce to levels of around $4.80.

In the last few months, silver tracked gold and attracted

investors who sought a safe haven in the wake of the September 11 attacks and wilting stock markets.

Another major factor moving the silver price has been the demand and supply of its host metals tin, lead and copper, analysts said, adding that the photo industry was not a big driver of the silver price.

"Changes in the photo industry can affect people's sentiment in the speculative market but supply is mainly determined by demand for the host metal rather than silver itself," Norman said.

Naqvi said that photography was the most stable sector out of the three users of silver, with the other two being electronics and the silverware and jewelry industry.

"Electronics are more volatile because of the economic cycle. We've seen strong growth in the 1990s and a collapse in the last few years. Demand for silver for jewelry is

quite price sensitive. Especially in India, the biggest user in this area, consumers are very sensitive to price and that causes volatility," he said.

He added the silver price this year was mapped by the fallout in electronics and an improvement in jewelry and he expected all elements of demand to improve with an economic recovery expected to start at the end of the year.

"Silver is losing its current strength as a safe haven but is coming back on demand for the fundamental commodity," he said.
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