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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lane3 who wrote (43838)	2/7/2002 12:58:42 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

CNN is reporting that AP wire is reporting that the White House is changing its stance on the detainees vis a vis the Geneva Convention. Yeah. Plus a little bone of respect from the Prez this ayem in his speech about faith. Whatta day.

To: Lane3 who wrote (43838)	2/7/2002 1:02:26 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

I missed how "mild" the observation was. I have to change my calibration for mildness now. I hate having to recalibrate. Oh well. <g> I had not realized that advocacy and statesmanship were mutually exclusive terms. When Churchill was using all of his rhetorical powers to rally the people of Britain to resist the Nazis, I guess he was not acting like a Statesman, but an Advocate or Partisan. Perhaps he should have listened and tried to incorporate other points of view: pro- Nazi, defeatist, pacifist, those in favor of cutting an immediate deal, those in favor of waiting a couple of months to get a better deal, whatever. Then, perhaps, he would qualify as a Statesman. Or it is possible that Statesmanship is something different than you seem to suggest? Have to think about that one......

To: Lane3 who wrote (43838)	2/7/2002 1:07:48 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

This might help (from Merriam- Webster Collegiate Dictionary: Main Entry: states·man Pronunciation: 'stAts-m&n Function: noun Date: 1592 1 : one versed in the principles or art of government; especially : one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies 2 : one who exercises political leadership wisely and without narrow partisanship Even focusing on the second definition, it appears that having a Point of View is okay, but "narrow partisanship" is not. So I guess it hinges on what "narrow" means. Interesting......

To: Lane3 who wrote (43838)	2/7/2002 4:41:49 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It's hardly biased to note that a bunch of buds from the energy biz, consciously or not, would have a shared POV on what direction our energy policy should take. Seems like you haven't been in many meetings. If you go to any industry forum, where competitors gather to discuss industry policy or try to propose and adopt standards, each participant brings a self-serving pov to the table. The ITU is a perfect example. Takes years for telecom standards and policy initiatives to be debated and ratified. The CEOs in "big energy" are competitors. Each thinks he knows what the administration's energy policy should be, the policy that benefits his company over the others. Do they have some shared interests too? Of course, but I suspect they are a lot of the same interests that we as consumers have. I'm sorry to differ with the conspiracy theorists here, but I give this administration credit for seeking out opinion from "big" energy, little energy, consumer groups, and environmental groups before formulating a long-overdue energy policy.