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To: Colleen M who wrote (994)2/8/2002 11:52:46 AM
From: uu  Respond to of 2926
 
Coleen:

You state:
> I came to the conclusion that people who have absolutely no understanding of, or willingness to understand some very basic American beliefs, they do not belong in this country.

As long as we have people like Mr. Alan Hale of New Mexico, USA, who hide their heads into some wild illusions and B.S, there are no chances of getting rid of terrorism, or evil (as defined by 21st century standards).

I am going to post his entire comments below, but will only stress his last paragraph where he states:

> The people of Iran are not our enemies. They are human beings who desire peace, and a secure future for their children, as much as does any American..

If he truly believes in what he states above, and if he truly has no hidden agenda and is not on the Islamic's Republic's payroll, I would like to ask him the following:

"Sir... if you genuinely think the people of Iran are not our enemies, and are human beings who desire peace and a secure future for their children, then why are you so defensive of the regime that is terrorizing not only its citizen but the entire civilized world?! Also I would like to ask him his feelings toward women being so humiliated and oppressed and whether he enjoys that type of environment. And if so Why is he not willing to move from the U.S and live in Iran?! And ask him to visit with the real Iranians who are suffering (http://www.homa.org/) and not the few evil hypocrite Islamic B.S con artists who are running the country (to whom he is so thanful)!

If anyone has Mr. Alan Hale's email address I appreciate it if you would please post it (or send it through private message to me), because I have a lot to tell him about the painful story of Iran of the past 23 years.

Yes as long as we have the idealist fools (assuming he has no hidden agenda and is not on anyone's payroll to say these B.S), the chances of terrorism being eliminated from this world is at best minimal and at worst next to none!

Regards,

- Addi

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P.S - Here is Mr. Alan Hale's email to a number of Iranians in this country and abroad:

To my Iranian friends,

I am sure you aware that, during his speech a couple of nights ago, George W. Bush made some insulting and belligerent statements about Iran. I was ashamed and sickened by these comments, and I have sent the following letter to him. Frankly, I doubt if he sees this, or will pay any attention to what I have to say, but I have also sent this to some members of the U.S. Congress that I know personally, and perhaps they might listen. At the very least, I wanted to let my friends in Iran know that not all of us Americans support his statements and his implied future actions. You have my permission -- and encouragement -- to share this with anyone you wish, including the Iranian media and government.

Sincerely,

Alan

From: Alan Hale
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 14:09:58 -0700
To:
Subject: State of the Union/relationship with Iran

Dear President Bush,

Please allow me to introduce myself. I am a native and resident of the state of New Mexico, and I am a professional scientist, having earned a Ph.D. in astronomy from New Mexico State University in 1992. As a scientist I experienced my proverbial "15 minutes of fame" five years ago when Comet Hale-Bopp, of which I am a co-discoverer, was shining in Earth's nighttime skies. While I am not an expert on political affairs I do my best to keep informed of the various issues that affect our nation and our planet. I am writing to express my alarm to some of the statements made in your State of the Union address on Tuesday, January 29. In particular, I am referring to your statements about the nation of Iran, i.e., that it is part of an "axis of evil" and that it "exports terror."

Such statements appear to reflect the common American mindset of Iran that is based upon events that happened over twenty years ago. I know that mindset well, for at one time I shared it. I was a midshipman in my senior year at the U.S. Naval Academy at the time of the U.S. Embassy seizure in Tehran in 1979, and I can still vividly recall the half-serious "Tehran Movement Order" signs that proliferated in Bancroft Hall afterwards. I even considered it within the realm of possibility that my graduating class would be graduated early so that we could be sent off to Iran and fight, and I was ready to do so if that occurred. But that was then, and this is now, and I can assure you and any American who cares to listen that the elements of that 20-year-old mindset bear almost no resemblance to the Iran of today. I say this from personal experience, as I have made two visits to Iran within the last three years.

Four years ago I became intrigued by President Mohammad Khatami's call for a "dialogue of civilizations" and his request for exchange visits between our respective countries and, keeping in mind the notoriety that fate had bestowed upon me and with the knowledge that a total solar eclipse would be crossing that country in August 1999, I conceived the idea of bringing a delegation of American scientists, students, and educators to Iran for that event.With the collaboration of and assistance from the organization Search for Common Ground I was successful in bringing such a group for a stay of 1 1/2 weeks at that time. As a result of that visit my scientific colleagues in Iran decided to host an international astronomy conference in the city of Esfahan in July 2000, and I was invited to bring another delegation over for that event. Again with the assistance of Search for Common Ground, I was able to do so, for a stay of one week.

Our reception from the Iranian people was nothing less than overwhelming. Our host organizations, the Zirakzadeh Science Foundation in Tehran and the Adib Astronomical Society in Esfahan, welcomed us with open arms, and repeatedly went out of their way to make our stays pleasant and enjoyable

The students we addressed and mingled with at places like the Institute for Advanced Studies of Basic Sciences in Zanjan and Lorestan University in Khorramabad, as well as at the astronomy conference in Esfahan, were intelligent and articulate, and as friendly and gracious as one could imagine. Perhaps most telling were the random "person on the street" encounters, for example, a man from Esfahan named Hossein who, on a moment's notice, dropped what he was doing so that he could chauffeur me and another American scientist around the city in search of an Internet site (and then help us search for the rest of our group afterwards), and a young gentleman in Esfahan who stopped me in a restaurant to tell me "After 20 years, it's great to have Americans back in Iran again!" Everywhere we went we encountered these types of reactions, with the Iranian people continuously going out of their way to reassure us that they liked and welcomed Americans.

I and the members of the delegations continue to correspond regularly with the friends and colleagues we have made as a result of these visits. After the horrifying events of September 11 I received numerous letters of sympathy and support from friends and colleagues around the world; many of these, and among the strongest, came from my friends in Iran, who were as shocked and horrified by that day's tragic events as was I.

Iran is not a perfect country. It is a complex society and culture, the complexities and nuances of which cannot be summarized in a sound bite or displayed on a bumper sticker. Its society and government confront numerous internal (and external) challenges, and there are disagreements within that society and government on how best to confront these -- but the same can also be said about the American society and government. I accept that the American government may have legitimate grievances and differences with the government of Iran -- but perhaps the reverse is true as well. These should all be addressed and resolved in negotiations conducted within an atmosphere of mutual respect, and not by threats and intimidation which, if escalated, can bring about hostilities that, among many other things, will shatter the peacemaking endeavors that I and many citizens of both countries have struggled to implement.

The people of Iran are not our enemies. They are human beings who desire peace, and a secure future for their children, as much as does any American. With this is mind, I urge you in the strongest possible terms to reconsider your comments in the State of the Union address, and instead to lead in genuine efforts to build a mutually respectful peace between our nation and Iran and, indeed, with all the nations of the world.

Sincerely,

Alan Hale Cloudcroft,

New Mexico



To: Colleen M who wrote (994)2/8/2002 7:26:18 PM
From: uu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 2926
 
I just found out about Mr. Alan Hale's email, and just sent him the following response. For privacy reasons I have left out the personal information in brakcets in this posting.

Anyway, Mr. Alan Hale's email address is ahale@swisr.org . Please feel free to respond to his letter to President Bush (see previous post).

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Dear Mr. Alan Hale,

Please allow me to introduce myself. I am a U.S citizen, a native of Iran and resident of <......>, and I am a <.....>. I came to this country in 1978 when I was only 17 years old leaving behind my entire immediate family and friends. I have no political motives, or any association with any political organization or otherwise. While like you I am not an expert on political affairs I also do my best to keep informed of the various issues that affect our nation and (yes our planet).

I am writing this to express my alarm, and my rather anger and disappointment to some of the statements you have made in your letter dated Wednesday January 30, 2002, with the subject title: State of the Union/relationship with Iran. I would like to go through your comments and respond to them.

In your characterization of President Bush’s statement calling Iran as part of the Axis of Evil, you state:
> Such statements appear to reflect the common
> American mindset of Iran that is based upon events
> that happened over twenty years ago.

With all due respect to you sir, no one is referring to any mindset or any events from 20 years ago. We are simply referring to the current regime of Iran developing weapons of mass destruction, and its support of various terrorist organizations such as Hezb-ol-allah (as noted also in its annual budgetary document available in Farsi and English from the Iranian government budgetary agencies), and the atrocities it is committing against humanity (and in particular against its own people) under the disguise and such idealistic novelties as Islam, peace, love, and the brotherhood of mankind. This is the same regime that is in control of second largest oil reserves on this planet, and yet majority of its population is living under the poverty line (by all standards), while spending millions of dollars on building a shrine for its Islamic Republic founder (namely Ayatollah Khomeini) who has offered the following teachings to the mankind: homa.org

The same President Khatami whom you found to be a civilized man is the very same person who calls Khomeini as his savior and idle.

You state:
> Its society and government confront numerous
> internal (and external) challenges, and
> there are disagreements within that
> society and government on how best to confront
> these -- but the same can also be said
> about the American society and government.

With all due respect to you sir, how on earth, or heaven can you possibly compare the Iranian government to the American system of government? Since I find you to be an educated intellectual individual I am not going to even elaborate on this subject and will leave the topic for you to judge and decide. But what I am going to offer you is to do a bit of research and make an attempt to understand what is going on in everyday life in Iran. The following is a hint as where you can perhaps start your research homa.org


And finally sir, you state:
> The people of Iran are not our enemies.
> They are human beings who desire peace, and
> a secure future for their children, as much
> as does any American.

If you genuinely believe in what you have stated above, you would not write a letter in defense of a murderous regime who simply showed you some hospitality while you were in Iran! Sir, the people of Iran – if you actually and in fact care about them – welcome with all their hearts and mind any action by anyone that can take away the evil of Islamic Regime from their land.

20 years ago we had an Idealistic fool by the name of Jimmy Carter whose idealistic human right values imposed on the Iranian regime of the time, caused the destruction of every fabric of the Iranian society. Millions were murdered, displaced from their homelands, and today we have nothing but a cult of evil followers ruling the land of Iran. Whether Mr. Carter’s human rights issues were genuine or merely an excuse to control and manipulate oil prices for the next 20 years, is left for the history to judge, but lets not forget the people of Iran. The very same people whom you saw in the streets of Tehran, and Esfahan, and Zanjan. The very same people who showed you their hospitality and opened their arms for you.

For them, Mr. Alan Hale, I beg of you not to characterize or even place the Iranian regime in the same context as the people of Iran.

Lets not be idealistic fools whose eyes are blinded by such superficial idiotic novelties as “dialogue of civilizations”!!

Sincerely,

<my name>

P.S - Some may call me a naive fool for sending this
email to you for possible actions taken against me by
the Iranian regime's Islamic thugs! Since I believe
you are a scientist of credible background and a
highly respectable individual
(http://www.swisr.org/ahbio.html), I trust that my
email to you will not be used to notify the murderous
regime of Iran of my dissatisfaction with your
statements praising them!