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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (10314)	2/8/2002 8:21:03 PM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 28931

Freedom.... >>Is there some reason why you trust the Church leaders in the 4th century to pick the books of your bible but not the Church leaders of earlier times closer to Jesus and his teachings? Is it possible that maybe you are letting the tail wag the dog here?>> ...is the only tail that can "wag the dog." 119293!!

To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (10314)	2/8/2002 10:00:48 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"You are aware that the Church existed well before "the Bible" did?" So many questions Mitch, I'll have to take them a little at a time. No I am not aware of that. The bible consists of 66 books, 39 of which, preceded the coming of Messiah. Many of the letters from Paul were actually part of the formation of the church. The book of Acts was in all likelihood written before the death of Paul, since it would have surely mentioned the death of such a prominent figure. So I think your wrong. The writers of the new testament were either Apostles or wrote under direct Apostolic authority. The dating game played by "scholars" is just that, a game. It's a game that has as it's goal "the latest date wins" only the evidence continues to confound even the most hardened sceptics. "You are also aware that one of criteria that the Church used when selecting the books to go into "the Bible" was that they conform to tradition and don't contradict the orthodox doctrine as practiced by the Church?"<i/> I am aware of that. Are you aware that was but one, of many criteria used? Are you also aware that those traditions was subject to correction by the undisputed writings of the Apostles, which were available even before the departure of the Apostles? "You are aware that Jesus never told anybody to write down his teachings?"<i/> While you may be technically correct in that he did not command that they should specifically write his teachings down, None the less, He did command them to go out and make disciples. They did that by telling people about the death of Christ as a sacrifice for their sins, and about His resurrection from the dead. Christ also promised that He would send them the third person of the Trinity (the Holy Spirit) who would teach them and give them complete recollection of His teachings. Therefore the fact that they didn't follow Jesus around with a tape recorder or write down every sentence as it was spoken is irrelevant. "You are aware that Jesus never indicated that any new canon should be created?" See previous answer. A mandate to teach was given, which certainly includes writing. The Apostles certainly recognized they were writing scripture. For instance: 2 Peter 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation--as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; "You are also aware that prior to the canonization of the New Testament in the 4th century, that many other books were considered to be "scripture" that did not make it into the canon? You are aware that many of the books currently in the New Testament were NOT considered scripture by the early church fathers?" Some books made it and some did not. The ones that did passed all the tests, and the ones that didn't make it did not. There is no big mystery there. Some were thrown out because they did not have Apostolic authorship or sanction. Others were rejected for other reasons, So what? The fact is God superintended the compilation process as much as He did the actual writings. Cannonicity was discovered, not bestowed. A book is Scripture, because it is God inspired, literally "God breathed", not for any other reason. In other words God wags the Church not the other way round. I hope that helps you in your journey towards faith in Christ Mitch. It looks like you have some neat family. I'm sure they are praying for you as am I. Have a good evening. Greg