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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (43953)	2/9/2002 1:08:59 AM
From: elpolvo	Respond to of 82486

tim- the rhetoric about guantanamo is just to bring things into the light... under observation. under observation, government works cleaner for all. rumsey has responded well... i LIKE that dude. "oh the eyes... oh the eyes of the world are watching yew." Oh, gli occhi del mondo ti stanno guardando. BIKO (Peter Gabriel) Settembre '77 Port Elizabeth tempo bello Era un'attività normale Al posto di polizia 619. Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Yihla Moja, Yihla Moja - l'uomo è morto. Quando provo a dormir la notte Posso solo sognare in rosso Il mondo esterno è bianco e nero Con solo un colore morto. Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Yihla Moja, Yihla Moja - l'uomo è morto. Puoi spegnere una candela Ma non puoi spegnere un fuoco Quando la fiamma inizia a far presa Il vento soffierà più forte. Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Oh Biko, Biko, perché Biko Yihla Moja, Yihla Moja - l'uomo è morto. Oh, gli occhi del mondo ti stanno guardando. -videosurveillanceman@gov.gov

To: TimF who wrote (43953)	2/9/2002 8:17:29 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

There may have been some arrogance and their certainly was some stubbornness involved but the idea wasn't that we were above the Geneva convention as much as it was that the detainees were not covered by it. If you can either take the position that the Geneva Convention applies but that your detainees aren't POWs under it and leave the rest of the world feeling warm and fuzzy or take the position that the Geneva Convention doesn't apply and getting everyone all exercised that we think we're above the rules, it only makes sense to do so. When it's no skin off our nose to be collegial and cooperative, we ought to do so without hesitation, not have to be dragged kicking and screaming. It's one thing to consciously alienate others when there's something important at stake. It's just dumb to do so unnecessarily. Karen