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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: rockerbanger who wrote (10463)	2/9/2002 11:00:34 PM
From: Bill Fischofer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

The truth is but can never be told. That's a very astute observation and one which I would agree with.

To: rockerbanger who wrote (10463)	2/9/2002 11:06:53 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

I suspect we cannot know if there is absolute truth. we can choose to believe there is- but reality is relational to the observer, as it is part of the collapsed wave state- which is personal to the observer, and the observer is an integral part of this- as such there may be no real, totally objective reality. There are things we suspect are "out there" and are "real" - but are they constantly real in any objective sense? Everything is in constant molecular motion and is changing every minute, second, nanosecond- the observers and the observed are all in motion, and the dynamic is so complicated, and in such a state of flux, I would not make any hard and fast statement about reality. I say what I suspect, and I mention what I observe- I will give no absolutes. I something I say sounds absolute, than I have miscommunicated my thoughts.

To: rockerbanger who wrote (10463)	2/10/2002 12:35:29 AM
From: Frederick Smart	Respond to of 28931

Truth Be Told... >>i guess the truth is not subjective, but our perception of it is subjective, because language is dubious,we are told how to see we are told how to hear, we are told how to smell, we are told how to sense with language. the truth is but can never be told. >> ...is a lie. Telling implies subjective conditions and limitations. Freely receiving and sharing transcends these tales. The truth is not a vicarious experience. The truth is YOU. Shine the Rock..... "Rockershiner" is the real truth behind who you really are. 119293!!

To: rockerbanger who wrote (10463)	2/10/2002 9:36:17 AM
From: James Calladine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

the truth is but can never be told Yes! For the reason that the Truth is not found in individual, egoic existence, but in the Field in which that existence is arising, which is, as Frederick would say, ONE(1), whole, paradoxically empty and yet full, always in the endless NOW, utterly timeless. But even those descriptions are false, because they are cast in terminology and language of the separated and different. It is a little like you and a friend going on a roller-coaster ride; during the ride you are absolutely involved in the NOW. When you talk about it later, you fall into past time descriptions ABOUT how each "experienced" the ride. But during the ride, there was just the NOW of it. No mind. Just the feeling of it, all arising in FEELING. Namaste! Jim