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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11476)	2/12/2002 2:26:42 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

By wondrous coincidence, at exactly the same moment a ship was captured that, allegedly, carried Iranian arms to Arafat Hardly coincidence, len. More like cause and effect. Arafat's efforts to become a Hizbullah client-state are intolerable to Egypt, Jordan and the US, as well as Israel. The Karine A (which was tracked by both US and Israeli intelligence) proved these efforts were serious. Now Israel could say, see, Iran is not just threatening to nuke us; it's trying to destabilize all American allies in the region. Of course Israel would take advantage of such evidence. All this guy does is sneer at the evidence and call it coincidence. Not much of an argument.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11476)	2/13/2002 10:45:19 AM
From: epsteinbd	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23908

Len, quit drinking for Allah Who Akhbar's sake. How do you want an oil field, be it blessed by Inch Allah, to give out "3.2 billion barrels of oil per day"... on which this theory-world strategy or yours is built.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (11476)	2/13/2002 11:25:41 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 23908

Re: For a long time, the Americans have been arguing among themselves about the best route for piping this oil to the open sea. Routes that may be under Russian influence have been eliminated. The 19th century, deadly British-Russian competition, then called the "Great Game", is still going on between America and Russia. Until recently, the western route, leading to the Black Sea and Turkey, seemed most feasible, but the Americans did not like it very much, to say the least. Russia is much too near. The best route leads south, to the Indian Ocean. Iran was not even considered, since it is governed by Islamic fanatics. So there remained the alternative route: from the Caspian Sea, through Afghanistan and the western part of Pakistan (called Beluchistan), to the Indian Ocean. To this end, the Americans conducted, ever so quietly, negotiations with the Taliban regime. They bore no fruit. Then the "War on Terrorism" was started, the US conquered all of Afghanistan and installed their agents as the new government. The Pakistani dictator, too, was bent to the American will. Well, as I said in some previous posts, although I can see the "rationale" of that "Great Game" conspiracy, I just disagree with its main premise positing that the US, somehow, mass-murdered its way into Central Asia's oilfields... The US just doesn't need to be that aggressive in its thrust across Central Asia. Why? Because the oil market, due to the world recession, has basically turned into an oligopsone of sorts --that is, a market characterized by a lot of sellers vs a tiny handful of buyers.... I mean, besides gas-guzzling America, who's gonna buy all that oil??? Europe? Japan? India and its rickshaw cabs? China and its billion bikers? Russia? See, it sounds like, whatever your road map to pipe oil from Central Asia out to an open sea, the ultimate outlet's gonna be the US, anyway.... Hence the problem of Turkey vs Pakistan vs Russia vs Iran vs ... is merely the locals' problem. The US doesn't care (much) about who turns the pipeline's exit-gate. Gus