To: Joe NYC who wrote (158856 ) 2/15/2002 12:32:56 AM From: wanna_bmw Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 186894 Joe, Re: "Pretty much none of the above, with slight exception to Financial software. Business logic is a part of the code that defines business rules, relationship between data, validation, to some extend data exchange, import, export, reporting, presentation, GUI." I don't know what decade you think you're in, but in the 21st century, there are a lot of businesses who run the kinds of applications that I mentioned, too. But I guess it depends on what your definition of "business" is. Re: ". The areas where Itanium is not totally priced out of the market are database servers, where it may do ok, and application servers, running this dreaded business logic, or middle tier components, where Itanium will exceedingly poorly" Methinks you know not what you speak. In database applications, it will do far more than "ok". With the kinds of memory bandwidths, cache capacities, and memory / integer units inside the McKinley core, it ought to blow the rest of its competitors out of the water, or at least the ones in the same class (dual core Power4 processors and Matrix linked EV7 cores notwithstanding - of course, these processors are also going to be in a whole other price class, too). As for what *you* define to be "business logic" computing, I think the Itanium could possibly do very well. Remember that the only apps that you have to compare are SPEC benchmarks running on Merced, and those binaries have already been finely tuned for the other architectures that they run on. Given future compiler enhancements, even Merced would look better in SpecInt. For real-world code, though, I'm betting that Merced has gotten the short end of the stick, and Intel doesn't want to push it as hard, since it wants customers to wait for McKinley. When McKinley ships, so will the whole deluge of benchmarks, and having read and understood the specs, I think McKinley will perform exceedingly well (even in such "business logic" applications). wbmw