To: Mitch Blevins who wrote (297 ) 2/16/2002 9:18:09 AM From: E. Charters Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 484 They, (Who the hell are they? I think someday I will run into a 500 story office building completely underground, called They Incorporated. Thousands of cool, efficient experts, speaking a language like English, that I barely understand, will be doing all the things we take for granted everyday, setting website standards so that IE and netscape cannot run the same pages, running the government, putting the caramel into chocolate bars, etc ... Finally I will have met them. When I walk in, everyone will stop work, and look at me simultaneously.. and one of them will say, "you must be one of those people we refer to as ... them." And then everybody will laugh ...), don't want you to be able to strip web pages easily as it is immoral. Someday there will be good web publishing tools where one can go to a site and edit the html in real time. Someday too the penny will drop and people will start to dimly realize that they don't NEED pdf and doc files if they have good html formatting. Maybe by that time I will stop getting stupid pdf files on websites and stupid Word doc files from stupid people and stupid companies running stupid commercial operating systems that change all their software every 18 months. The whole IDEA of the WWW was to share documents between different OS's and display systems. Doh! Of course we don't HAVE good html formatting that will take the place of pdf and doc formatting. Word Wide Web Consortium take note. Time for la update of capabilities, like better pagination co-relation, better column handling and table handling, more fonts and types like math types, and other scientific and professional symbols, a CAD like interface for diagram construction, better indexing of pages.. (in line links should not be only way to reference info, why not an index type of link that could be tied to and index pages that automatically builds?) What would be good would be an editor that did partial Wysiwyg and operated on websites to automatically edit and save the file on the remote computer directly. It would not have to use server side cycles, just be "transparent" as to processing so that it appears it is operating at "home". Hotmetal and hotdog do not do it for me. Too many program cycles to go through to check appearance, load down and up etc.. It may require some co-operation with netscape/opera and the server side perhaps as well in the future. (edit-file server?) right now it could be done with ftp type co-operationg X-editing file-save. Local file save and remote has to be very carefully differentiated in order not to screw up. Programs are all about environment and interface. That is why the browser became so popular. One stop internet shopping for files. In the end it is too limiting. It is not the only way to use the internet. It should not stop here. And while we are on the subject, TCP-IP should not be the limit either. (sigh) EC<:-}