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To: McNabb Brothers who wrote (2945)2/19/2002 10:31:49 AM
From: Sir Auric Goldfinger  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3076
 
Buh Bye!



To: McNabb Brothers who wrote (2945)2/22/2002 9:16:49 PM
From: John Madarasz  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 3076
 
crashed through 200 and 50 dma's...and the long term downtrend line from the highs, and all on 45% higher volume than average.

Not the kind of action a long likes to see i think. closed below that L/T downtrend line on the weekly too.

Also, concerning our earlier conversations here about how the micro, and macro, economic environment might impact ELON's share price, here's a dose of reality for all the folks who believe that current debt levels are manageable... or not an issue in regards to economic recovery.

5 of the last 6 recessions since 1950 have been of the "double dip" variety, with the recession from the early/mid 70's being one of "triple dip". I'm still having a hard time believing that the current U.S.recession...not to mention global recession, is now behind us after the most speculative market excess' in the history of world.

The Danger Of Runaway Household Debt Or Why The Fed's Options Are Limited.
By Paul Kasriel from Northern Trust Company 02-20-2002


...As household debt continues to rise relative to income, one would presume that most lenders, save perhaps for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, would start to withdraw from the household lending markets. In the event, household spending could slow dramatically, throwing the economy into a recession. Given the already shaky financial condition of the US corporate sector, another recession in the near term would almost assuredly result in massive corporate bankruptcies - even more massive than what we have seen in the past year...

investavenue.com

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and this from trimtabs.com...

...Unless the recent plunge in withholding is due to some unknown reason other than lower withholding rates, a 4% drop in year over year taxable income is quite worrisome. No current economic forecast includes a big drop in consumer income and therefore, consumer spending. While everyone is saying that the supposed pickup in January retail sales - ex autos - is significant, we don't.

Indeed, after backing out autos and higher gasoline prices, retail sales did not show any gain. Then again whatever the lack of a big decline was likely due to mortgage, credit card and installment borrowing. If the withholding decline is real then retail sales data as well as consumer confidence numbers should start to show unexpected drops in the coming weeks.

CONSUMER LOANS @ BANKS SURGE 14.7% ANNUALIZED SINCE DEC. & 11.3% SINCE OCT.

Consumer spending appears to be funded by debt not income. According to the Federal Reserve's H8 released on February 15, consumer loans at banks rose to $567.1 billion, seasonally adjusted, as of February 6, 2002 vs. $560.2 billion in December, That $6.9 billion five week gain translates into 14.7% annualized. What's more comparing February 6 with October, 2001 - before the consumer borrowing binge started -- bank loans to consumers still on bank balance sheets is up 11.3%.

That does not appear to be the basis for a sustainable recovery, particularly given the plunge in incomes. We wrote last week how seasonal adjustments distorted the November and December gains in consumer borrowing. The WSJ and everyone else was amazed that seasonally adjusted consumer borrowing dropped in December. The real reason for the decline was that the consumer borrowing surge started in November this year with the spike in discounted auto buying...


trimtabs.com

* All this is not to say that the stock couldn't bounce here with the market, but I still believe things look weak... and I'm still wondering if you have any comments why ELON the company, and ELON the stock will outperform the economy and the market in general. I know how Roger feels, i'm really more interested in your thoughts Hank. Thxs. Have a great weekend all.

Regards,

John M.