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To: maceng2 who wrote (151719)	2/16/2002 1:26:48 PM
From: memphisguy	Respond to of 436258

For the Russians: "On 22 June 1941, a door opened before us, and we didn't know what was behind it....the heavy uncertainty took me by the throat." Adolf Hitler "Operation Barbarossa"

To: maceng2 who wrote (151719)	2/16/2002 1:38:38 PM
From: Mike M2	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 436258

Pearly, combinedfleet.com this an interesting comparison of the US industrial strength v Japan. I certainly agree with you that the Soviets paid dearly and fought ferociously for victory. I think the Soviets lost 300,000 taking Berlin alone. The important point about US involvement is at a minimum WWII would have dragged on for some time while the Germans were building Jet fighters and working on the Atomic bomb and the Japanese were busy with biological weapons experiments at Unit 731 in China. Given sufficient time the axis powers could have inflicted even more horrific losses on the allies. The allies had to end it as quickly as possible. I do understand your point. mike

To: maceng2 who wrote (151719)	2/16/2002 1:56:57 PM
From: broadstbull	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Pearly I highly recommend that you catch the movie "Enemy at the Gates". The opening 20 minutes are an incredible scene portraying the Battle of Stalingrad, how desperate the Soviets were and the lunacy of their tactics. I am history buff, specifically WW2 since my Uncle was an Army Ranger. Although I have read tons of books about the Eastern front, seeing the insanity of that battle in a visual context was stunning. ps enjoying the discussion here, nice job.....