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To: Ilaine who wrote (19108)2/17/2002 3:27:05 PM
From: KLP  Respond to of 281500
 
CB, please don't put words in my mouth. Two comments: One is that I don't believe we are "finished with Al~Qaeda"....and I agree, we should NOT lose focus.

2nd: Please read and comment on my earlier post on Saddam and the bomb maker....I also don't even know if it is Saddam about whom we should be worried....where is his son, and what is he doing? Helping the Al-Qaeda????

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To: Ilaine who wrote (19108)2/17/2002 3:37:32 PM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
CB....good suggestion...Have printed out 10 pages of the report. However, here is the first section....and my comments in bold.... As you can see, probably most of us are both hawk and dove....and therein lies room for discussion....

CUTTING THE GORDIAN KNOT

As the conflict in Afghanistan winds down, the question of what the United States should do about Iraq has risen to the forefront of American foreign policy. Hawks argue that toppling Saddam Hussein should be "phase two" in the war on terrorism.


If this is being a Hawk, then I guess that I am, as long as the present regime is there, but we can't just wipe out an entire regime, now can we??? ..."they see Iraq's development of unconventional weapons as a critical threat to U.S. national interests" .....

and want to parlay the success of the Afghan campaign into a similar operation further west.

No, I don't think this is correct....unless, of course, it is all under the 'guise' of routing out the terrorists wherever they are...

Are you saying that there are no even semi-large groups of terrorists in Iraq, and that there should not be any concern here?????


Those who pass for doves in the mainstream debate point to the difficulty of such an undertaking and the lack of any evidence tying Saddam to the recent attacks on the United States.

Don't disagree with either of those statements....However, this leaves out the thought that maybe, perhaps, and probably, our Foreign Policy Leaders DO HAVE this evidence, or maybe, perhaps, and probably they wouldn't have been making these statements!! If anyone thinks otherwise, I'd like to know why they think so...



They argue that the goal of America's Iraq policy should be to revive U.N. weapons inspections and re-energize containment.

Both camps have it partly right -- and partly wrong.


Yes. Mugwumps are good.

Thanks to Washington's own missed opportunities and others' shameful cynicism, there are no longer any good policy options toward Iraq.

The hawks are wrong to think the problem is desperately urgent or connected to terrorism, but they are right to see the prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam as so worrisome that it requires drastic action.


This would be an accurate statement as far as I am concened: ...."but they are right to see the prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam as so worrisome that it requires".....SOME SORT OF ACTION. What action to take....? How much time do we have to fool around.....?

The doves, meanwhile, are right about Iraq's not being a good candidate for a replay of Operation Enduring Freedom, but they are wrong to think that inspections and deterrence are adequate responses to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs.

What kind of inspection and deterrence program do we have that is different than the previous program? Who will oversee it? How are we sure that Iraq will really comply, and not just show us what he thinks we "need to know"

After the more immediate danger posed by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network has been dealt with, the Bush administration should indeed turn its attention to Baghdad. What it should do at that point, however, is pursue the one strategy that offers a way out of the impasse. The United States should invade Iraq, eliminate the present regime, and pave the way for a successor prepared to abide by its international commitments and live in peace with its neighbors.

AND I QUOTE: "What it should do at that point, however, is pursue the one strategy that offers a way out of the impasse. The United States should invade Iraq, eliminate the present regime, and pave the way for a successor prepared to abide by its international commitments and live in peace with its neighbors"............DO YOU THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA? "Eliminate the present regime"...........This sounds really hawkish to me......



To: Ilaine who wrote (19108)2/17/2002 4:32:05 PM
From: SirRealist  Respond to of 281500
 
I guess the knowledge was imperfectly shared," said Rear
Adm. Craig Quigley, a spokesman for the U.S. Central Command in Tampa. "That knowledge wasn't shared widely enough with the people who needed to know."

Added Quigley: "Had we known in November of the huge size of the place and the amount of stuff in there, we'd have paid more attention to it, I suspect."


No doubt, that's an incredible lapse. I mean, political administrations change but military carry-through should be better than that. How could they not know?

-Kev@curiouser&curiouser.wow