Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on....
>>>>"This is sleight of hand at it's highest. And the authors of this LIE are the spirits from Hell">>>>
>>I don't dispute the fact that you are FREE to make such JUDGMENTS (something you regularly decry) but WHO is the one making these judgments, the VERY DIVINE or EGOIC Frederick?
I submit it is the latter, based on his personal cosmology of beliefs.>>
I was responding to what you stated on this thread: specifically that good and evil DO NOT EXIST.
Stating that good and evil DO EXIST is not "a judgment". It is the truth - pure and simple. And this truth is not conditionally dependent in any way shape or form on Frederick Smart.
However, you are free to deny this truth by receiving it as being conditionally connected to me. This is like saying such and such isn't so because it came from thus and such a source. You are perfectly free to receive and understand it this way.
I'm simply proclaiming that all truth, all good, all light and all energy comes from ONE source. And for Love to be received and shared unconditionally there has to be FREEDOM and for FREEDOM to exist we ALL have to possess a FREE WILL which allows us to freely chose between FREEDOM and SLAVERY, good and evil, etc.
>>>>"But simply stating that good and evil DO NOT EXIST" >>>>
You cut this off.....
This is what was originally posted by you in response to what I wrote as follows....
>>>>"For if sin and evil did not exist FREE WILL would not exist"
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT?
Most of the time I enjoy your flights of expansive devotion
although I don't go along for the numerology journey, but hey, if it does something for you, why not?
However, the above seems like your neurons misfired somewhere and your association-machine mind connected with some hell and brimstone teaching and misconnected it with the subject of free will.
Back to the drawing boards with that one, Frederick!>>
And your response.....
>>You are the one stating this, not me. I suggested they were the productions/conceptions of the ego, all arising in God.>>
I suggest and believe we are eating the same bread from different sides of the same table. Here's another way of receiving and sharing the same understanding as follows....
1) Good and evil DO exist.
2) The ways in which we receive and understanding both can arise either arising out of
a. ego and be naturally, conditionally received, understood and shared with others ....
....or...
b. from the unconditional source of the Divine that is within ALL of us.
3) I "chose to" receive and share unconditionally with others the belief and understanding that ALL that is good, ALL that is light, ALL that is truth, ALL that is Love, comes from the Divine that is within ALL of us. And......
4) I "chose to" receive and share unconditionally with others the belief and understanding that ALL that is bad, ALL that is darkness, ALL that is full of LIES, ALL that is NOT Love. comes from that part of us which is egoically separated from the Divine energy, light and Love that is within ALL of us.
>>>>"Worse, since it's the same as saying we DO NOT HAVE A CHOICE" >>>
>>It is NOT the same as saying we do not have a choice. It is saying that the NOTIONS of Good and Evil arise in the ego and a choice very definitely exists as to whether to go to that polarization (you traditionally talk of turning ONE(1)
into TWO (2) <ggg> or whether it is just surrendered to God.>>
We are all free to receive and share "notions of Good and evil" egoically in a way that polarizes us from the truth of our Divine nature which is the soul we each received at birth made in the image of God, the creator of the universe.
But we are also free to receive and share the truth behind Good and Evil in non-egoic - ie. unconditional - ways that DO NOT polarize us from the truth of our Divine nature which is the soul we each received at birth made in the image of God, the creator of the universe.
>>That is very definitely a choice. THE BASIC CHOICE.>>
I believe we are eating and sharing the same ONE (1) bread of truth. And may I offer up that it's not ONE (1) large piece of Italian bread to hit each other over the head with!!!
>>But suggesting that every moment in consciousness requires a value judgment of good or evil is ENSHRINING the fundamental activity of the ego, allowing it to line itself up with its conception of good and evil, making the choice IT considers is "good" and projecting "evil" on to so-called others, whether they be persons, creatures, spirits, whatever.>>
I agree.
If you chose to understand and share the requirement that "every moment in consciousness" be a value judgment of good or evil you WILL be ENSHRINING the fundamental activity of the ego.
And, as such, you WILL allow "it to line itself up with its conception of good and evil, making the choice IT considers is "good" and projecting "evil" on to so-called others, whether they be persons, creatures, spirits, whatever....."
But this isn't what I freely chose to receive, understand and share with others. I am giving up all egoic claims. But even as I proclaim to do this, you and others are still "free to chose" to receive what I share from a conditionally egoic perspective. This is what FREEDOM is all about. We are all FREE to receive and share the energy, light and Love of our ONE Lord God in Heaven either conditionally or unconditionally with others.
If you chose to believe that what I am sharing is egoically placing conditions then that's fine, too!!
But may I suggest that this is NOT part of the truth of your Divine soul which is pure, perfect and infinite and ONE (1) with our ONE Lord God in Heaven.
>>>>"if this is coming from Adi Da, then we must BE ONE with Adi Da's Tooth Fairy's">>>>
>>This came from Jim, based on my(egoic) perception of Adi Da's Teaching. I always identify any direct quote of Adi Da's.>>
May I suggest that there is a non-egoic understanding of the truths that Adi Da's receives and shares with others which have ZERO conditions or restrictions attached. PURE LOVE!! PURE LIGHT!! PURE ENERGY!!
>>>>"Remember, even evil is created by God" >>>>
>>I repeat (where I am coming from) God is the UNDIFFERENTIATED oneness in which EVERYTHING appears. It is (speaking personally) ABSURD to suggest that the bad-TV nature of this world(and our own egoic consciousness) is created by God. Your statement above BLAMES God for the creations of the ego, and then gives credit for allowing the choices. The ego creates ONLY what it WANTS to choose.>>
Nope!!
Creation is ONLY ONE (1) part of the Trinity.
1) Transmission and 3) Reception are the other TWO (2) legs which are, combined, ONE (1) when connected.
If creation, transmission and reception are ONE (1) then His energy, His Light and His Love are made manifest which is Heaven.
If creation, transmission and reception are NOT ONE (1) then His energy, His Light and His Love are limited, restricted, conditionalized, spun, inverted, perveted and destoyed which - in ALL it's many manifestations - is Hell.
>>>>"You need THREE to complete-fullfill the model of His Love" >>>>
>>The "Trinity" model of MANIFESTED EXISTENCE is (according to Adi Da) a valid model for understanding manifested existence up to and through the 5th stage of life (although not as you describe it). From the vantage point of the 7th stage of life there are no such divisions.
If you would like me to send you a description of the 7 stages of life, the conceptions associated with each, the segments of manifested existence involved, the realizations associated and so on, just let me know. If you prefer to stay with your present understanding, also OK, just don't
DISMISS any other view just because it doesn't fit yours.>>
Perhaps I am simply called to receive and share with others what is more "down to earth" which reflects more truly the stage that I am in right now. And this in no way is denying the freedom that Adi Da has to come down from clouds 6 and 7 and share these truths and be ONE (1) with us.
From where I am I really "see" no divisions between me, you and anyone. I chose to receive and share the feeling, understanding and truth of connectedness, oneness and perfection that I believe is the essential truth of ALL that is real.
>>I will see if I can find some quotes of Adi Da that will give you more "meat" either for an "attack" or a "consideration" or a "competition" or a "speculation" or....>>
When we see everything as ONE, in ONE, with ONE, for ONE, by ONE and from ONE there's nothing to "attack" or "compete" for James.
>>And yes, there IS a choice between the two (or more)--albeit of the ego, arising in God, to go either with its egoic preference, or something else!>>
There IS a choice and the truth of this can be either 1) egoically received, conditionalized and spun; or 2) freely received and shared with ZERO/NO conditions, limitations or restrictions in ways that are aligned with the infinite Divine nature of our soul which is ONE (1) with our ONE Lord God in Heaven.
>>Namaste!>>
Same bread.
Same table.
Broken and shared different ways.
Such is FREEDOM!!!
Such is LIFE!!
Such is LOVE!!
And such is part of His perfect plan of redemption and reconcilliation for mankind.
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Desmond has a barrow in the market place,
Molly is the singer in a band.
Desmond says to Molly-girl I like your face,
and Molly says this as she takes him by the hand.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
Desmond takes a trolly to the jewellers stores,
buys a twenty carat golden ring.
Takes it back to Molly waiting at the door,
and as he gives it to her she begins to sing.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
In a couple of years, they have built a home, sweet home.
With a couple of kids running in the yard, of Desmond and Molly Jones.
Happy ever after in the market place,
Desmond lets the children lend a hand.
Molly stays at home and does his pretty face,
And in the evening she's a singer with the band.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
In a couple of years, they have built a home, sweet home.
With a couple of kids running in the yard, of Desmond and Molly Jones.
Happy ever after in the market place,
Molly lets the children lend a hand.
Desmond stays at home and does his pretty face,
And in the evening she's a singer with the band.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da life goes on bra, la-la how the life goes on.
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